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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Shot89 View Post
    Well, it' skinda frustrating when you are put against lvl 400 and 500 when you are only lvl 100 and with a lvl 11.... and you get even more mad when the lvl 500 say:"BUT LVL MEANS NOTHING LUL". Yeah, countless more hours in a game totally do not count.....
    Well when you see people who are level 500 (8 -10 games per level = 4,000 to 5,000 games experience) still running in by themselves to get blown away by 6 players and teams that refuse to have any tanks and or healers then I would suggest that countless more hours in a game totally do not count.

    How many times do I have to tell people not to shoot the big red bubbles still? How often do I have to remind my team to kill the healer first and they still don't do it. How often do you see a dps sinking ammo into a tank that is being healed by mercy when they should be killing mercy? The guy on genji who refuses to change to counter the Winston, Doomfist, Symetra and Mei who hecant deflect?
    The list goes on and on and thousands of games does not mean anyone actually learns to play better.
    If you push a button that finds you a 'random group' and it gives you a random group of people with random skill and random knowledge then you have no right to complain that a 'random group' button did what it was designed to do. The fault lies in your inability to make friends to play with instead of relying on a button designed to be random. It is a 'random group' button, not a 'best of the best' button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    You of all people being a moderator and all should understand that punishment is not about the "victim" of an offense suddenly enjoying what happened to the perpetrator of the offense. Unless you feel that imprisonment is about the victim thinking "hahaha look whats happening now hes rotting in prison" and capital punishment is about the lols of a victim's family while someone is executed.

    You of all people should care more about the people you punish for whatever reason that they are actually educated. Instead you seem to prefer a system where you will punish people and then sit down with your buddies and enjoy what you did.

    That kinda strikes me as the very same behavior you are trying to avert. But ofc its all about showing whos in charge and yeah this way mods/GMs and all those pretending to "police" anything just abuse their power and now with the overwatch feature can show it off and throw a party.

    P.S. Its now about "throwing a punch" with silences its about not having 480.000 players being toxic against 340.000 players. Since the number approaches 1 million players I would think deeper into why the fuck the so called community is so sick.

    340.000 ruffians is really obnoxious dont u think?
    The enjoyment of the victim is irrelevant, I just mean it's important for the victim to know that people are held accountable. I don't really get how that plays into what you're talking about. Sure the system can be abused, but that's pretty much true of any system and it's really the best they can do. Not to mention that making bans more public serves to help educate.
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  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by xChurch View Post
    The enjoyment of the victim is irrelevant, I just mean it's important for the victim to know that people are held accountable. I don't really get how that plays into what you're talking about. Sure the system can be abused, but that's pretty much true of any system and it's really the best they can do. Not to mention that making bans more public serves to help educate.

    Thanks for replying. Many bans are triggered aka someone provokes a reaction and then reports the provoked person who finally reacted. Provoking a reaction can be as simple as entering a game and dropping flag on purpose to make your team lose.

    That in itself is not reportable. But shout something bad at the guy who did it and boom you are reported. With the old system there is at least some doubt and conservation. With a system that will tell you "hey you reported X and we banned him for you" the sky is the limit for a whole new game of baiting others to ban them. Happens in this forum as well.

    I have been baited and I admit at times I provoked someone to his breaking point and then reported them. I speak from inside when I tell you such systems are not good.

    As for the so called "silence" system I doubt it was ever implemented people talk like walking sewers everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    Thanks for replying. Many bans are triggered aka someone provokes a reaction and then reports the provoked person who finally reacted. Provoking a reaction can be as simple as entering a game and dropping flag on purpose to make your team lose.

    That in itself is not reportable. But shout something bad at the guy who did it and boom you are reported. With the old system there is at least some doubt and conservation. With a system that will tell you "hey you reported X and we banned him for you" the sky is the limit for a whole new game of baiting others to ban them. Happens in this forum as well.

    I have been baited and I admit at times I provoked someone to his breaking point and then reported them. I speak from inside when I tell you such systems are not good.

    As for the so called "silence" system I doubt it was ever implemented people talk like walking sewers everywhere.
    I can see getting notifications on a ban action serving as a type of positive reinforcement to report happy people. I hope that when the system is implemented they will make a point of telling people that X person got banned due to Y reports of which yours was one. That way people don't get the impression that they can single handedly ban someone. It may seem obvious that one report isn't enough but you never know with some people.
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  5. #25
    What nonsense. The idea with giving feedback to reporting players is to show them that reporting actually works and they keep using the tools that are in-game to get rid of those toxic turd piles ruining the fun for everyone else.
    Shooters in general have a tendency to attract the more, let's say, unsavory kind of player, and if you've ever had the "pleasure" of being in an online lobby of Halo on Xbox Live with random players you should know what crap goes on there.
    For voice chat, you need reporting tools. There isn't really a carrot you can dangle at people (simply because players are very slow to report/commend nice team mates), so reporting the bad apples is what's left.
    The other option would be for Blizzard to automatically monitor what people say in team chat and have software look for "bad words" and that would just really be a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    So overwatch is becoming a "player vs player reporting game". 340.000 people accounts 480.000 accounts. That is the population of a bic city reported the population of an even bigger city.

    Unsurprising how blizzard doesn't get that this is not normal and not only that but they want to give the reporting player the warm feeling of satisfaction that being a ruffian actually works and he can use a special mechanism to directly hurt a fellow player for petty things like being called a cunt when he was actually playing like a cunt.

    And because the system works this way (cunts pay good money) blizzard is (as usual) prepared to go the distance to protect the cunts from being called cunts.

    I will never pay a fucking penny to play dogshit games like that. It just takes a minute of looking at the guy talking to realize everything thats wrong with games these days.

    "Oh boy look at our new feature now we tell you what we do to them". What a vicious CUNT you must be to implement such dogshit piles.

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    FUCK this sort of "community" that needs to feel the satisfaction of what happened to the reported player. Sick cunts. I find these sort of people to be a lot more toxic esp because they are downright hypocrites and human garbage.

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    You of all people being a moderator and all should understand that punishment is not about the "victim" of an offense suddenly enjoying what happened to the perpetrator of the offense. Unless you feel that imprisonment is about the victim thinking "hahaha look whats happening now hes rotting in prison" and capital punishment is about the lols of a victim's family while someone is executed.

    You of all people should care more about the people you punish for whatever reason that they are actually educated. Instead you seem to prefer a system where you will punish people and then sit down with your buddies and enjoy what you did.

    That kinda strikes me as the very same behavior you are trying to avert. But ofc its all about showing whos in charge and yeah this way mods/GMs and all those pretending to "police" anything just abuse their power and now with the overwatch feature can show it off and throw a party.

    P.S. Its now about "throwing a punch" with silences its about not having 480.000 players being toxic against 340.000 players. Since the number approaches 1 million players I would think deeper into why the fuck the so called community is so sick.

    340.000 ruffians is really obnoxious dont u think?
    Over 30 million copies have been sold. So about 1% of the players have been banned for toxic and bad behavior. I fail to see how that's a community bullying players. Maybe people should'nt be ass fucks in the game?
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    I mean... Maybe instead of having to develop a ton of tools nobody really wanted to combat "toxicity" in game, just develop the game properly so people get less frustrated?

    People would be way less angry if the matchmaking wasn't pure dog shit.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Shot89 View Post
    Well, it' skinda frustrating when you are put against lvl 400 and 500 when you are only lvl 100 and with a lvl 11.... and you get even more mad when the lvl 500 say:"BUT LVL MEANS NOTHING LUL". Yeah, countless more hours in a game totally do not count.....
    Levels just show how many games they've played. If someone is level 1600 and at rank 2200 or something, that means they have played way more than most people BUT haven't actually improved much for it. That should be embarrassing, idk why everyone thinks its the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Doesn't really seem like anything is changing in terms of the rule breakers. Seems like mostly Jeff is saying the community needs to take it on themselves to be better because they are slowing down game development by reallocating resources to deal with all the toxic attitude... which isn't going to do anything, only give trolls some smug self satisfaction.


    What Blizzard should really do to fix the problem is to start actually handing out bans for this kind of stuff. Not just chat silences or mutes. I'm betting a ton of resources could be saved at Blizzard if they didn't have to constantly deal with the repeat offenders.
    Yeah he means actually report people and stop ignoring it or just muting people, the devs can only do just so much when they aren't told about the people doing crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Valarius View Post
    I mean... Maybe instead of having to develop a ton of tools nobody really wanted to combat "toxicity" in game, just develop the game properly so people get less frustrated?

    People would be way less angry if the matchmaking wasn't pure dog shit.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA omfg man, people have been screaming for a better report feature forever and they probably WOULD develop the game properly if the players weren't a bunch of whiny shitheads and they did what was best for the GAME not players who cry about every hero they get beat by rather than learn to actually PLAY and COUNTER and WORK AS A TEAM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Yeah he means actually report people and stop ignoring it or just muting people, the devs can only do just so much when they aren't told about the people doing crap.
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    He's not talking about reporting players. We already do that plenty in game. Jeff is saying that the community just needs to stop being so negative so Blizzard can stop hiring people to sift through all the millions of reports they receive.
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    On another note, it seems like the community are just getting a laugh out of this video more than anything. Positive Mental Attitude people!

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    Over 30 million copies have been sold. So about 1% of the players have been banned for toxic and bad behavior. I fail to see how that's a community bullying players. Maybe people should'nt be ass fucks in the game?
    Judging from the amount of people being "ass fucks" in forums I doubt its possible.

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    I'd say the Overwatch toxicity problem is unsolvable.

    What were Blizzard thinking anyway? If you're going to make a cast of characters that are all racial stereotypes, you're going to have people that gravitate to the game just to abuse them.

    e.g. I play Overwatch mainly to queue up with Symmetra players and spend the rest of the match ranting against autism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramjb View Post
    I'd say the Overwatch toxicity problem is unsolvable.

    What were Blizzard thinking anyway? If you're going to make a cast of characters that are all racial stereotypes, you're going to have people that gravitate to the game just to abuse them.

    e.g. I play Overwatch mainly to queue up with Symmetra players and spend the rest of the match ranting against autism.
    What the hell are you talking about racial stereotypes being abused in the game? Good lord, thinking people come to the game just to abuse hero races *eyeroll*
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramjb View Post
    I'd say the Overwatch toxicity problem is unsolvable.

    What were Blizzard thinking anyway? If you're going to make a cast of characters that are all racial stereotypes, you're going to have people that gravitate to the game just to abuse them.

    e.g. I play Overwatch mainly to queue up with Symmetra players and spend the rest of the match ranting against autism.
    I think you're pretty alone on that one buddy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorman View Post
    Judging from the amount of people being "ass fucks" in forums I doubt its possible.
    Gotta start somewhere. I don't think any company has truly put enough resources into fixing internet toxicity so if Blizzard can put a dent in this at all they will have success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharkkun View Post
    Gotta start somewhere. I don't think any company has truly put enough resources into fixing internet toxicity so if Blizzard can put a dent in this at all they will have success.
    Internet toxicity is the direct result of certain people acting like complete and utter cunts. Every wanker out there is waving their cyber stick making someone else's life a misery. When the victims of such bullying react they are cornered as being "toxic".

    Wanna know what I consider toxic?

    - People who don't know fuck all about their class and enter games to just poach what they can
    - People with no time to sit and read actual achievements of a player but judge them from an item level
    - People who run "loot council" guilds so they can swallow everything they can while using others as employees
    - People who sell runs for gold in order to control markets and fuck the game for everyone else
    - People who treat the game as a fucking power trip where they must fuck everyone else's experience just to feel better.
    - People who use the rules of the game as a side mini game to harm others by "official sanctions". Yeah you are allowed to play like a wanker but you cant be called a wanker. Being a wanker is ok being called one is not. Hypocricy rules.
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    the main reason I play competitive is because of the reporting system and for points. I play widdow and torb mostly every match suck at it refuse to switch which is well within my rights. Then proceed to get insulted harassed flamed threatened for the rest of the game. Jokes on them tho they all get reported for abusive chat and poor teamwork and I just smile 8D

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    Honestly as long as there are people who can't handle losing in a mature manner there will always be toxicity in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    He's not talking about reporting players. We already do that plenty in game. Jeff is saying that the community just needs to stop being so negative so Blizzard can stop hiring people to sift through all the millions of reports they receive.
    Which is why blizzard needs to let players sort it out instead. Make the reporter have to attend a tribunal within a certain period of time along with everyone else that reported that player. If you don't then you wasted your report on someone. That would curb people spam reporting players because they don't like their transmog they are wearing. Basically you can't come to tribunal then no action taken against player for your report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barnabas View Post
    Which is why blizzard needs to let players sort it out instead. Make the reporter have to attend a tribunal within a certain period of time along with everyone else that reported that player. If you don't then you wasted your report on someone. That would curb people spam reporting players because they don't like their transmog they are wearing. Basically you can't come to tribunal then no action taken against player for your report.
    lol make strangers from the interwebs come to a tribunal lol I haven't laughed so hard in a while that's top kek 8D

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