Russia is suspected of meddling in Catalonia vote

[zmp]

I think Russia is meddling in my current Overwatch game.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Gotta love these threads. Russia over the last decade has been incredibly aggressive about expansion and turning foreign politics in their favor. Sanctions may not be hurting the lower class, but we know that the Russian elites are getting hit HARD. That's why Trump threw temper tantrum when he wasn't allowed to quietly repeal Russian sanctions. He's Putin's good little cock holster.

And then we have good old @Theodarzna who comes along and goes "RUSSIAN DINDU NUFFIN WRONG!" every single time.

If ignorance is bliss then Theo must be on some kind of massive high right now.

[Grapemask]

Sometimes you wish Trump supporters could distance themselves from their cognitive dissonance and Trump ball licking just enough to understand the world's issues, because they make up 99% of the dissenters here.

It is a known fact that Russia is meddling in the western world. We knew it even ten years ago when Trump was more interested in grabbing pussies than running for president. It is disconnected from your love affair. So cut it the fuck out.

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So anytime the public wants something that the ruling class doesn't want, its all a Russian ploy. Amazing.

I remember when the soviet union fell, all the work of the ruling class, the proletariat was so betrayed.
/S.

[Crispin]

Hell will freeze over, before the Spanish let them have a referendum of any meaning. The Russians are really wasting their time on this one.

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I do care that the government cracks down on something legal by using literal force.

I take it you didn't read the article?

[Deleted]

Wai, what? RT does news on varios subjects, if it's about the democrats then it means putin is funding hillary?

This article from op is word zerg, blah blah just another nothing burger. No single real clue.

[SoLoR1]

Disobedientmedia and its William Craddick basically started pizzagate conspiracy... this tells you all you need to know. If you go thrue articles you will see its all about conspiracy theories and however takes them seriously is a nut job as well.

[Cthulhu 2020]

That is why it's a win/win situation for Russia. Either people believe that their societies are being subverted and manipulated by misinformation tactics, or else they feel like the 'status quo ruling class' is just trying to manipulate them instead. It results in distrust and increased disharmony between two different sides. Divide and conquer.

This subject raises exactly how easily manipulated populations are and/or why the ethics behind this has never been a concern before or why this same concern doesn't exist when it comes to commercials and advertisements.

Theo is supposedly a history major and yet she doesn't even recognize internal political manipulation tactics by external forces that are as old as time. She'd probably be singing a different tune, allowing herself to realize exactly what is going on, if she didn't have a 17 foot long hate boner for Clinton. Anything that deligitimizes Trump's win is NOT happening (in her mind), because if it is then the public really did choose Clinton and then Theo would have less justification for a hate boner.

[Haven]

And here I was joking that some retards will make even that A Russian ploy... /facepalm

[Mormolyce]

So anytime the public wants something that the ruling class doesn't want, its all a Russian ploy. Amazing.

Calling the Catalan independence movement "the public" is a hell of a stretch lol.

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Calling the Catalan independence movement "the public" is a hell of a stretch lol.

Its strongly supported in the region...

This whole thing seems to be equal to outside funding like :
https://theintercept.com/2017/09/22/...one-institute/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7782681.html

But no its the pesky Russians!!

[Noradin]

So anytime the public wants something that the ruling class doesn't want, its all a Russian ploy. Amazing.

Yes, it is very convenient to blame Russia, because they are viable suspects.

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As Putin once said, "those could be anyones solders in Russian uniforms taking over Crimea".

Yes, and then he turned around and boasted about his soldiers taking over Crimea to the Russian public.

[Shalcker]

I remember when the soviet union fell, all the work of the ruling class, the proletariat was so betrayed.
/S.

But it actually was all work of "ruling class" :/

They even had referendum on "should we keep USSR or should we disband it", majority voted "keep it", year later ruling elites (party heads of the republics) said "screw you, we can't be bothered, it's disbanded". And not even all of them at that, just three major ones...

[Acidbaron]

So anytime the public wants something that the ruling class doesn't want, its all a Russian ploy. Amazing.

If we look at the world as adults and not in Black and White we can see that the independence movement has always been there and so has Russia's intend to destabilize European nations politically.

Therefor we can conclude that there's a strong will of independence in that Region that is not connected to Russia, but that Russia will gladly throw oil on a fire in attempt to blow it up as that is in their favor. Anyone assuming that Russia wants to play nice simply has forgotten how they acted for decades. I have not and it is wise to keep that in mind at all times, however we should not give credit to Russia for starting things like independence movements, they are not worthy of that and we should simply look at them as instigators in crowd of people with legit desires and believes, in other words parasites.

[Deleted]

If we look at the world as adults and not in Black and White we can see that the independence movement has always been there and so has Russia's intend to destabilize European nations politically.

Therefor we can conclude that there's a strong will of independence in that Region that is not connected to Russia, but that Russia will gladly throw oil on a fire in attempt to blow it up as that is in their favor. Anyone assuming that Russia wants to play nice simply has forgotten how they acted for decades. I have not and it is wise to keep that in mind at all times, however we should not give credit to Russia for starting things like independence movements, they are not worthy of that and we should simply look at them as instigators in crowd of people with legit desires and believes, in other words parasites.

But this idea that Russia is a powerful world actor is insane. Its piss poor, and weak. People are giving Russia way to much credit.

[Acidbaron]

But this idea that Russia is a powerful world actor is insane. Its piss poor, and weak. People are giving Russia way to much credit.

Powerful no but i also don't speak of that but they are know to play a part in world through such means, but yes to assume they are as successful or powerful as they were in the 50's to 90's is wrong.

[Noradin]

But this idea that Russia is a powerful world actor is insane. Its piss poor, and weak. People are giving Russia way to much credit.

You can deal damage and destruction without being strong.
Backstabbing and shady machinations have always been up there in the favorites for those who cannot win a direct confronation.

[Toogoodman]

Sometimes you wish Trump supporters could distance themselves from their cognitive dissonance and Trump ball licking just enough to understand the world's issues, because they make up 99% of the dissenters here.

It is a known fact that Russia is meddling in the western world. We knew it even ten years ago when Trump was more interested in grabbing pussies than running for president. It is disconnected from your love affair. So cut it the fuck out.

I think it also important to note how all western powers are seriously fucking with each others elections, and all the covert ops against each other. Obama had the hacked phones of many G20 leaders, Russia doing, well, Russian things as usual, EU countries and the US messing with Israels elections... etc. This is a serious problem, but its always going to be going on, which is seriously messed up.

[Haven]

Recent history has shown that less than 1% of country is enough to change the regime, and no legal procedures are needed *cough*Maidan*cough*