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    Arrow How could we fight against toxicity in Overwatch?

    Why post this on MMOC rather than the official forums or Reddit, you might be asking.

    Well as it stands, MMOC has an arguably more constructive user-base than the two aforementioned sites and the fact that it is is also the reason for making this thread to begin with.

    So here's a small but not small question, what ways would be most effective at combating toxicity within Overwatch's community?
    Worgen hard, or hardly worgen?

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    Best way to combat toxicity is being the best player in the group. Heal correct targets use ult as dps properly as tanks do your role protect team and lead them. Do thoose things and you wont stand out as a baddie. Toxic players will Always exist. I started my s6 journey playing only orisa 18 games 0 toxicity.

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    Being nice. That's the most simple and effective way for all of us to help improve the community. I start all of my games by saying "Hello friends, I hope you are having a nice overwatch today" and end with "Well done friends," regardless of whether I win or lose. The vast majority of the time this inspires friendly comments or chatter from other players in the match, as it gives people something positive to react to rather than focusing on any negativity that gets thrown out.

    It's a small drop in the ocean of the community as a whole, but it's very effective at improving your own personal experience. Positivity breeds positivity.

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    Best way to fight it in game is also the best way to fight it in real life, ignore the negativity. People who are overly "toxic" in game are like bullies in real life, they only do it for the reaction, if they get no reaction they start sulking off into dark corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Best way to fight it in game is also the best way to fight it in real life, ignore the negativity. People who are overly "toxic" in game are like bullies in real life, they only do it for the reaction, if they get no reaction they start sulking off into dark corners.
    You can also counter these baddies with sarcasm and they'll get triggered like no tomorrow. Funny as fuck too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marweinicus View Post
    You can also counter these baddies with sarcasm and they'll get triggered like no tomorrow. Funny as fuck too.
    Well, that works too if you're able to out wit the ass :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Best way to fight it in game is also the best way to fight it in real life, ignore the negativity. People who are overly "toxic" in game are like bullies in real life, they only do it for the reaction, if they get no reaction they start sulking off into dark corners.
    Bullshit. I was once damn toxic in games and now that I am pretty happy with my life, which I wasn't back then due to leukemia at the age of 16 and only filled with negative thoughts, I know that I was toxic because I needed games in my life to compensate the bad times. I am pretty sure toxic people are those with real problems in their life. They burn their anger in games. That's why those kind of people can't deal with criticism, too, because they can't handle that stuff IRL.

    This doesn't fit for everyone as always of course, but if you poke them you'll notice a lot of them have real life problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Well, that works too if you're able to out wit the ass :P
    I guess it can be defined as being toxic yourself. But I don't see it like that tbh. I'm usually nice to other people. But when someone is being a douchebag to someone I do like to counter them and see them become more annoyed. Guess I am part of the problem too :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by JajaBongs View Post
    Bullshit. I was once damn toxic in games and now that I am pretty happy with my life, which I wasn't back then due to leukemia at the age of 16 and only filled with negative thoughts, I know that I was toxic because I needed games in my life to compensate the bad times. I am pretty sure toxic people are those with real problems in their life. They burn their anger in games. That's why those kind of people can't deal with criticism, too, because they can't handle that stuff IRL.

    This doesn't fit for everyone as always of course, but if you poke them you'll notice a lot of them have real life problems.
    Not everything works in every situation, your's is a very specialized case and I doubt anyone would blame you entirely given the situation (though I don't think anything really should give you a free card to be an asshole to random people). Obviously there's situation where things in life make you bitter and resentful, but at the same time you have people with equal problems using the game to unwind and then THEY can't enjoy it because someone is being a total asshat. In short, you don't know WHY someone is being a dick, so it's best to ignore purely because you don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildpantz View Post
    Best way to combat toxicity is being the best player in the group. Heal correct targets use ult as dps properly as tanks do your role protect team and lead them. Do thoose things and you wont stand out as a baddie. Toxic players will Always exist. I started my s6 journey playing only orisa 18 games 0 toxicity.
    This

    It may not completely erase toxicity, but it sure plays a big role. Being nice, helping the team will help you in the long term. You may sometime think "hell I want to play what I want", but that's when you start to be a part of the problem instead of the solution.

    And the more you'll climb, the less toxicity you'll get. But obviously you'll also need to be good to really get "out" of it (I mean a level where toxicity is more the exception than the norm).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JajaBongs View Post
    Bullshit. I was once damn toxic in games and now that I am pretty happy with my life, which I wasn't back then due to leukemia at the age of 16 and only filled with negative thoughts, I know that I was toxic because I needed games in my life to compensate the bad times. I am pretty sure toxic people are those with real problems in their life. They burn their anger in games. That's why those kind of people can't deal with criticism, too, because they can't handle that stuff IRL.

    This doesn't fit for everyone as always of course, but if you poke them you'll notice a lot of them have real life problems.
    Mhm, I think generally speaking this is very true. Happy and well-adjusted people don't tend to act unpleasantly toward others, because there's little negativity they need to vent. This is why I think a positive attitude is a lot more helpful than outright ignoring or putting down problematic individuals. Most of the time that just adds fuel to the fire, making them more frustrated and all the more willing to take out their issues on someone else. The way you promote positivity is to lead by example. If you can make other players feel good about themselves or show that they can still have a fun, chill time even when they're losing, then they might just resist the temptation to type out a toxic comment, avoid a potential argument, and wind up feeling a lot better about their play session as a result.

    Of course you can't fix everyone just by leading by example, but attitudes have a tendency of being infectious. When I was a teenager I was often more than happy to argue with people and be a jerk to them online, and what stopped me from doing that wasn't some slap on the wrist or radio silence, but rather the example set by people who always kept their cool, acted maturely and respectfully, and made me enjoy spending time with them. Talking with those sorts of people always resulted in me having a much better experience than when I got into arguments, and I realised that avoiding negative interactions was as simple as dropping the antagonistic parts of my own attitude.

    I've always said that the best way to win an argument isn't to outwit the other person or prove them wrong, it's to make them like you. That's what genuinely makes people reconsider their own behaviour.

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    As others have already mentioned, the saying "Don't feed the trolls" is the best advice everyone should get.
    Sometimes trying to reason the person in a gentle way works...Most of the time it doesn't => Mute and move on.

    If he is becoming way too toxic => Report, Mute and move on.

    In the long term, it's the best solution for you, for him and for the community.
    If you have to attack a person instead of what they're saying, then you've already lost the argument.

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    Mute, report, tell them they're muted so they can save their breath and focus.

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    I guess, be nice yourself.

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    ask system of a down, they are masters on toxicity


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    Toxicity is not the problem.

    The problem is what CAUSES it. And it's fair to say that bad players in competitive is the reason for almost all of the toxicity of Overwatch.

    Solutions would be like:

    - Require level 100 instead of 25 to enter Competitive, as hopefully you have a slight more gamesense.
    - Some kind of proving grounds for a hero. A solo scenario that is HARD so that you truly learn a hero. Before you complete like 50% of all heroes scenarios, you can't go competitive.
    - More value on personal performance. If someone is performing terribly, by having low damage, healer, or objective time, they suffer more rating loss while the people performing better lose less rating, meaning less need for toxicity, as you wont be so hurt ratingwise by a loss.

    Toxicity is understandable,

    and if you disagree on that statement, you have never met people who troll, play like Torbjörn on attack or simply have 0 teamplay or communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    Toxicity is not the problem.

    The problem is what CAUSES it. And it's fair to say that bad players in competitive is the reason for almost all of the toxicity of Overwatch.

    Solutions would be like:

    - Require level 100 instead of 25 to enter Competitive, as hopefully you have a slight more gamesense.
    - Some kind of proving grounds for a hero. A solo scenario that is HARD so that you truly learn a hero. Before you complete like 50% of all heroes scenarios, you can't go competitive.
    - More value on personal performance. If someone is performing terribly, by having low damage, healer, or objective time, they suffer more rating loss while the people performing better lose less rating, meaning less need for toxicity, as you wont be so hurt ratingwise by a loss.

    Toxicity is understandable,

    and if you disagree on that statement, you have never met people who troll, play like Torbjörn on attack or simply have 0 teamplay or communication.
    No. Of course I've had my fair share of all of those and yes, it can be frustrating as hell. However, I still don't throw my shit all over people like the proverbial monkey, because I have this thing called self-control. Toxicity literally doesn't help anything, it only serves to make things worse or in case of genuine troll (rare) feeds them. Self-control is not unique to me, everyone has it, but they choose to throw it to the wind and let loose. That's entirely on them. Other players might be the cause of how you feel, but you alone are responsible for what you do with it. Stay civil and someone might actually listen, I've had it happen. If you really can't, then don't even start typing / keep your mouth shut. It's that simple.

    PS. I'm using "you" in general sense. I also wouldn't be opposed to some carefully implemented changes, but the above still stands regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battlebeard View Post
    Toxicity is not the problem.

    The problem is what CAUSES it. And it's fair to say that bad players in competitive is the reason for almost all of the toxicity of Overwatch.

    Solutions would be like:

    - Require level 100 instead of 25 to enter Competitive, as hopefully you have a slight more gamesense.
    - Some kind of proving grounds for a hero. A solo scenario that is HARD so that you truly learn a hero. Before you complete like 50% of all heroes scenarios, you can't go competitive.
    - More value on personal performance. If someone is performing terribly, by having low damage, healer, or objective time, they suffer more rating loss while the people performing better lose less rating, meaning less need for toxicity, as you wont be so hurt ratingwise by a loss.

    Toxicity is understandable,

    and if you disagree on that statement, you have never met people who troll, play like Torbjörn on attack or simply have 0 teamplay or communication.
    I've played plenty of Overwatch and played with many players who haven't been the best team players.

    Honestly, the best advice I can give is to be a good leader. If they're terrible at the game, simply berating them or acting incredibly toxic isn't going to help them any. Yes, you won't do as well as if you were playing with other players who are very good at the game, but if you're doing solo queue you're going to run the risk of that no matter what. Maybe coach them a bit or try to encourage them in the right direction (in a nice way). It's better to have a slightly better than terrible player on your team than someone completely demoralized that will probably do worse.

    Like Twen said above, if they're a troll it would also feed them.
    Those who talk don't know. And those who know don't talk.

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    Competitive Overwatch solo que is the worst gaming experience I have ever had. For many seasons I never talked shit on the mic. Now, I'm down right nasty to people. The game has broken any decency in me while playing it.

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    You will never get rid of toxicity. Never, ever. That's just the nature of being paired with random people on the internet, some people just want to troll.

    Some people on here have said "be a leader", "be nice". I don't think that makes a difference. If someone is toxic or a troll they will respond in a toxic way. I think the best thing to do is to find people you like to play with a stick with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coombs View Post
    Competitive Overwatch solo que is the worst gaming experience I have ever had. For many seasons I never talked shit on the mic. Now, I'm down right nasty to people. The game has broken any decency in me while playing it.
    Maybe you should evaluate how much control you have over your own emotions.

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