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  1. #261
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenoathcarn View Post
    As someone in the legal profession surely you cant be naive enough to think that just because its legal somewhere means as a company that operates in multiple countries you can pick and choose which laws you want to abide by.



    This isn't a discussion about how EULA is a binding contract, It's a discussion about how if a EULA is found to be violating consumer laws (and such a thing definitely does in at least some of the countries Blizzard operates in) it will not hold up in a court of law.
    We are talking the law of personal data here. I'm unaware of any legal system that would deem the gathering, processing and using personal data as an against the law action, despite the existence of approval of the personal data owner.

    EU (European Union, you know what that is?) is not just somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Them being a 10 year veteran with over 1760 days played means they have played on average roughly 12 hours a day, every single day, for 10 years.... or they just offline botted. One of them is more likely than the other IMO.
    Or he just added an extra 0 to the years played or days played heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    We are talking the law of personal data here. I'm unaware of any legal system that would deem the gathering, processing and using personal data as an against the law action, despite the existence of approval of the personal data owner.
    Tell that to every company in history that has been fined for selling personal information even tho you accepted there terms of service. again the world is a bigger place then the EU. And Blizzard operate in said places.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    The presence of higher difficulty modes degrades the game for a player who can't do them, because their mere presence sends the message to that player that they aren't very good.
    Don't worry, they just easily dismiss it that the higher difficulties are for some "basement dwelling neckbeards" and they "have a life which they won't schedule around the game". Blizzard chips into that with various hints how time > skill, with legendaries, AP, titanforge to make people believe to make your character the strongest it can be you need to sink endless hours into the game, which creates two issues, one is people start believing, or even demanding that nolifing must be a part of any "serious" player, and second is people either try to nolife and burn out or the turn away before they even started - there are people even here, on MMO-champ for whom content as light as mythic 0 dungeon is already "too hardcore", they didn't even try it but already crossed it off the list. And no, you don't need top gear or a rotation bot to do a mythic 0 dungeon.

    Another issue is when you start lowering stuff to the lowest common denominator, there are voices the game is "boring" and "trivial", see all the complaints about low level questing / dungeons. It doesn't bother me personally, but there are people whom it bothers a lot.

    Personally I think rotation bots are not justified, same as kick bots are not, or to compare it to map hacks in diablo 3 - all these provide unfair advantage to a game that has leaderboards and competition element (wow has also pvp), single player games without any competition element no one cares if you cheat, but if you cheat to get onto that greater rift leaderboard or m+ ranking or pvp rating, then you deserve a ban.

    And about casual vs hardcore content, I think both are justified to a point, a game like wow thrives on diverse playerbase with different interests and approaches, the only content that isn't justified is literally content that next to no one cares about, then it's waste of dev's time. Still not sure why for example scenarios like in MOP were discontinued - I don't think the participation rate was low enough to justify scrapping it, I think with some tweaks it could provide another layer of content for people who don't like to be forced into "holy trinity" content (and wait for tank and healer in their dungeon queue). But for example 5v5 arena was scrapped due to low participation and the issue continuing it would require balancing attention etc.

    I bet mythic+ is there to stay, even though top levels of it are kinda imbalanced and left to minority of "key pushers", devs attention is mostly up to +15 level (for achievement / artifact tint) and these levels have plenty of participation / popularity.

    Content I'm wondering about its future is mythic raiding and RBGs. Mythic raiding is dead on many realms, but Blizzard promised they're working on new server connection tech since the one used in MOP kinda broke after some restructuring. At least that's what they said. I sure hope it's not just "soonTM" because servers are in dire need of merging, too many low pop ones. After that, we can see how the mythic raiding fares. RBGs, I dunno, Blizzard tries to funnel people into it hard (for example by making an artifact tint require 10 RBG wins as opposed to only 1 raid boss kill, and that from heroic, not mythic) but I don't think it's as popular as they wanted it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    good was probably the wrong word if I wanted to avoid triggering people I guess - completely 100% harmless would be more accurate
    Simple existence of vulnerability is already harmful. Banning people who use it or fixing it outright is a sensible thing to do. Regardless of how people use it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenoathcarn View Post
    There is precedent in the legal system where this has happened before and have either been fined and/or forced to remove such functionality from the software. If you think Blizzard is immune to this you are mistaken.
    I'm 100% sure that this precedent isn't even remotely close to this situation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonthor View Post
    Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...n_wave_101217/


    I love when this happens. GG Blizzard.

    Sad about guilds who lost some of their core members 'feelsbadman'.
    Any meaningful progression is long over and the new raid isn't out for awhile. Any guild that lost people can find replacements. An easy fix is not to raid with sketchy people that bot too.
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  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormspellz View Post
    the people who got banned should have a lifetime debuff that simply says "shame" as the debuff so all can see. once their suspension runs out
    That's the thing though lol, so many of you are shameless.

    Pig Form much???

    A lot of you would ACTUALLY roll that, and spam one ability, Pig Out, just so long as it's really OP!!!

    The fact that you look like a pig???

    No worries, right lol???

    Again, shameless much there WoW community???
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajskorv View Post
    he doesn't ruin the market, he fixes it. You're the one who's ruining it.
    ahahahahahahahahaha my sides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kakera View Post
    ahahahahahahahahaha my sides
    I know right? Botters 'fix' the market. Never mind the honest gatherers that get trampled over in the meantime or the price of Bnet Balance shooting up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    if you are legit innocent a higher level support agent can usually find that out. just make sure you are using the correct procedures (a regular ticket might not be it). getting them on the phone usually also helps due to human nature etc.
    I agree with that but sadly i when i put my phone number in the box it says ''not valid'' and i am looking in any ways to have someone on the phone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Them being a 10 year veteran with over 1760 days played means they have played on average roughly 12 hours a day, every single day, for 10 years.... or they just offline botted. One of them is more likely than the other IMO.

    Trust me i'm real, hpics.li/422b7ae and i am not even a multiboxer.

    For some ppl the game is a way of life, or a ''spare tire'' for hundred reasons, don't misjudge something you never seen before.

    If i was a botter/cheater for real, i couldn't keep the same account for 10years and definitely have some ''abuse history'' but this is not the case at all here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenoathcarn View Post
    Tell that to every company in history that has been fined for selling personal information even tho you accepted there terms of service. again the world is a bigger place then the EU. And Blizzard operate in said places.
    Generic answer with no example whatsoever. Come back with proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papajohn4 View Post
    This happens because warden is activating and do massive scans... do you think that warden scan 24/7? When they tweak and update they enable it to catch the rats and when this happens there is lag and disconnects
    I was under the impression that it runs pretty much all the time you're running a Blizzard game. Scanning the list of running tasks isn't particularly intensive.

    Then it logs them silently, ready for the next ban wave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces View Post
    if you are legit innocent a higher level support agent can usually find that out. just make sure you are using the correct procedures (a regular ticket might not be it). getting them on the phone usually also helps due to human nature etc.
    Even with human nature, they didn't know what happened, they only see ''their data'' and i know it's false-positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Better View Post
    Them being a 10 year veteran with over 1760 days played means they have played on average roughly 12 hours a day, every single day, for 10 years.... or they just offline botted. One of them is more likely than the other IMO.

    Trust me i'm real, and i am not even a multiboxer.

    For some ppl the game is a way of life, or a ''spare tire'' for hundred reasons, don't misjudge something you never seen before.

    If i was a botter/cheater for real, i couldn't keep the same account for 10years and definitely have some ''abuse history'' but this is not the case at all here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonthor View Post
    Sad about guilds who lost some of their core members 'feelsbadman'.
    If only there was some way they could have preemptively protected themselves from getting banned through a certain kind of behavior. Hard times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    The first couple of years were the best, they'd go to the Customer Support Forums with their "Din'do NUFFIN!" posts, and would get dismantled by the CS reps there. "According to our records, your account was accessed from a far away, exotic location, and you're in the US." REKT. (That was back in the paid leveling years) The logic knots they'd try to foist, the threats of lawsuits, it was always epic. They've since learned they can't talk their way out of a ban. The best were the posts by little kids trying to sound adult, and threatening Blizzard if they didn't get their account back RIGHT NOW.

    The best banwave was the first Rust Storm on Diablo II, it wiped out millions of Stones Of Jordan, the crying on various forums was several salty ocean's worth.
    I was one of those that got banned years ago for paying for leveling (start of BC).
    It legit had the effect they were looking for, as my second (and current) account hasn't done anything in the decade+ i've had it.
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  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by Divinexve View Post
    Iv been using tmorph for 5 years and didnt get banned get shrekt blizzard
    I'm going to miss Tmorph. Frostmourne on my Frost DK (why would we reforge it into two blades?) and Doomhammer on my Ele Shaman (because reasons) are all I used it for. It was great and didn't hurt anybody. I think the game is worse off without it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmist View Post
    I was under the impression that it runs pretty much all the time you're running a Blizzard game. Scanning the list of running tasks isn't particularly intensive.

    Then it logs them silently, ready for the next ban wave.
    It may have 2 modes... one light mode who run silent but not very effective, allthough is there for obvious hacks, security, etc. And I guess there is 1 mode that goes full scan to catch everyone. I am sure I have read explaining that when warden goes full scan, it affects the game and the servers a lot.
    The trick of selling a FFA-PvP MMO is creating the illusion among gankers that they are respectable fighters while protecting them from respectable fights, as their less skilled half would be massacred and quit instead of “HTFU” as they claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyggalag View Post
    People will only appreciate bots when the AH economy goes to shit. More bots = more supply = cheaper AH prices
    Time to buy gold by token before gold going down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelix1 View Post
    What i find more amusing, look at the post from the bot dev, it's like they don't even give a shit about their customers, i sincerely don't understand how they manage to be so popular with such attitude
    "He that lieth down with dogs shall rise up with fleas"... so they say

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futhark View Post
    I'm going to miss Tmorph. Frostmourne on my Frost DK (why would we reforge it into two blades?) and Doomhammer on my Ele Shaman (because reasons) are all I used it for. It was great and didn't hurt anybody. I think the game is worse off without it.
    Chances are it'll be back.. Eventually.

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