Balance of Power 8.0 M+

[Kellorion]

So they've said you can do this after Legion, and I get that I truly do, however 2 questions

1. M+0 is good enough?
2. Can you expac 8.0 overgear it, or will Legion Mythics always be 110 and that ilvl range?

Thanks for your time.

[Temp name]

The mythic dungeons you need for the balace of power thing? You can only do them in m0. And m+ doesn't scale you, so there's no reason you shouldn't be able to do them (if they stay in)

[BrioWoW]

I would expect M+ to be removed from Legion dungeons when the next expac releases. Just seems like something they'd do. Especially considered the +15 achievement will no longer be available.

[Micronetic]

I would expect M+ to be removed from Legion dungeons when the next expac releases. Just seems like something they'd do. Especially considered the +15 achievement will no longer be available.

Like they did with the challenge modes.

[Marrilaife]

M+15 appearance will be not obtainable after Legion, Blizzard said it several times. There is absolutely no other appearance that requires m+ so not sure what is OP having in mind. Either the one that requires glory of the hero or the one that requires 10 dungeons after doing mage tower challenge have nothing to do with m+ (keystone dungeons).

[Kellorion]

Well, they could in post Legion make M+0 scale down. I mean they are new to the game, so who knows. The may not like the idea of someone powering through in 115/120 gear. IDk, i dont do Mythic stuff.

If M+0 isnt terribly more difficult/more hassle than Roics, I may just go it in Legion.

[Nefarious Tea]

Well, they could in post Legion make M+0 scale down. I mean they are new to the game, so who knows. The may not like the idea of someone powering through in 115/120 gear. IDk, i dont do Mythic stuff.

If M+0 isnt terribly more difficult/more hassle than Roics, I may just go it in Legion.

There are classes that are already capable of soloing Mythic zero dungeons. Also do keep in mind that if you do plan on actually doing Balance of Power, it requires you to do Emerald Nightmare and Nighthold - and not in LFR.

[Marrilaife]

Well, they could in post Legion make M+0 scale down. I mean they are new to the game, so who knows. The may not like the idea of someone powering through in 115/120 gear. IDk, i dont do Mythic stuff.

If M+0 isnt terribly more difficult/more hassle than Roics, I may just go it in Legion.

No, they aren't new to legion, Mythic dungeons were implemented in WOD, and the WOD versions of them still exist. Just challenge mode doesn't. In WOD the gap between heroic and mythic version of the dungeon was noticeable as they were tuned for different ilvl brackets, atm in Legion base mythic dungeons are barely harder than heroics and without the auto queue, they rescale them every tier (already 2 times), both heroic and base mythic.

It's a big mistake from Blizzard naming these dungeons mythic, as people start thinking "omg it's some content only for hardcores like mythic raiding!", while in fact it's a casual content easy for anyone who has current levels of catch up gear (unsullied / argunite) and any idea about the dungeon layout.

Especially during the weeks when the event "do 4 mythic dungeons" is up I can start a group and put minimal ilvl equal to the current catch up gear, get random people in and not have any issue completing the dungeon (sometimes you get a case of stupidity but such is life). The group also usually fills really fast.

[kamuimac]

It's a big mistake from Blizzard naming these dungeons mythic, as people start thinking "omg it's some content only for hardcores like mythic raiding!", while in fact it's a casual content easy for anyone who has current levels of catch up gear (unsullied / argunite) and any idea about the dungeon layout.
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ye casual like hell with req of "bring 940 or gtfo" - crazy casual for real casuals

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[Mercane]

M+15 appearance will be not obtainable after Legion, Blizzard said it several times. There is absolutely no other appearance that requires m+ so not sure what is OP having in mind. Either the one that requires glory of the hero or the one that requires 10 dungeons after doing mage tower challenge have nothing to do with m+ (keystone dungeons).

He's asking about doing keystone dungeons to satisfy the requirements for the balance of power line of tints, not the KSM tint.

[Marrilaife]

ye casual like hell with req of "bring 940 or gtfo" - crazy casual for real casuals

Are you people for real? Last week when there was an event to complete 4 mythic (normal mythic, not mythic +10 or +15) dungeons I took my alt in unsullied gear, put a group in finder for something I had quests for with title like "nelth mythic 0 for weekly", 880 ilvl (= current unsullied) ticked, invited first 4 people fulfilling the role types I needed to fill which took maybe 5-10 mins tops, went, and there was absolutely zero difficulty involved in the dungeon. Well, there was a guy who complained why aren't we skipping trash while another guy was actually going around dotting them, but that had zero impact on the completion rate of the dungeon, ok maybe it took few more minutes to kill the extras.

I also joined 2 groups on my another alt (so the group wasn't made by me) and saw at least 3 people in half unsullied half still levelling gear (780 trinkets etc.). The dungeons went slower due to low dps but it wasn't hard and we didn't have problem finishing it.

Yea, if I pug people for my weekly m+ cache (so +10 and above) I armory them and check if they put effort into their toon, but for normal mythic (mythic 0) there is no need. Oh, and before someone claims it, nope, there is also no "leadership" involved, just invite people according to roles, communication is gonna be of the level of "hi" and "bye", tank goes, rest follows. Just like heroic.

Stop confusing mythic 0 and m+, as I said, Blizzard's fault for the branding, but it's completely different types of content. M0 has no timer, drops loot normally from bosses / trash like heroic, you can do quest objectives in it (contrary to m+) including world quests, and is tuned for maybe 20 more ilvls than a daily heroic, since it drops 20 ilvl higher loot.

He's asking about doing keystone dungeons to satisfy the requirements for the balance of power line of tints, not the KSM tint.

Yeah but balance of power doesn't require any keystone dungeons. As far as I remember it requires mostly normal raids, and some dungeon quests but you can't loot quest objectives in keystone difficulty anyway.

[Mercane]

Yeah but balance of power doesn't require any keystone dungeons. As far as I remember it requires mostly normal raids, and some dungeon quests but you can't loot quest objectives in keystone difficulty anyway.

Did you even read the OP? No shit it doesn't require mythic+, OP was asking if mythic zero was enough.

[Bloodyleech]

Balance of Power itself needs just non-key-stone. But the m+15 color needs, who would think it, a completed +15.
Though, key-stone myths don't scale anyone - and while I can't post the proof, I'm pretty sure, that Legion m+ isn't doable in the next expansion, like challenge modes (MoP/WoD).

[Soeroah]

For clarity, you have to earn the BoP skin BEFORE Legion is finished, and THEN you can earn the reskin appearances post-Legion, if you earned the BoP skin prior to Legion finishing. However, you can ONLY earn the Mythic+15 skin during Legion. If you don't get it before the next expansion, it's gone, like the Mage Tower appearances.

Which is to say, I think you can still earn them to mog your artifact, but no other weapon, if they stick with what they originally said. So it would only be useful for Timewalking.

And yes, Mythic 0 is good enough. In fact, if you try to go above Mythic 0 for the BoP chain, you won't be able to complete the quests. You can ONLY progress BoP through Mythic 0, as I understand it.

[Marrilaife]

Did you even read the OP? No shit it doesn't require mythic+, OP was asking if mythic zero was enough.

If he meant the base questline then yes, you're right. Not only mythic 0 is enough but it's the only difficulty where you can do the questline. I got confused by the title that mentioned m+ together with balance of power.

As far as I know WOD mythic dungeons are still in the game so I'd assume mythic 0 Legion ones will stay exactly the same after Legion. While M+ will probably be removed like MOP / WOD challenge modes were.

While some other tints might be doable on m+ level now (like the 10 dungeons after mage tower challenge), as far as I know you can do that even on normal.

What Blizzard didn't clarify though and makes me wonder if you do m+15 now on a char that doesn't have Balance of Power, will you get the +15 tint if you do Balance of Power after Legion. Because atm you can't use tints if you didn't unlock the first in a row. And it's not retroactive either, for example I unlocked mage tower skin on a char that had already heroic Kil'jaeden kill but I don't get the tint, I have to go rekill him on that char.

Anyway mythic 0 is more like "heroic without auto queue" I would encourage the OP to just do it especially if the character involved has already gear from Argus. It even easier than WOD mythic dungeons in Ashran pvp gear (which was also overgearing them through catch up gear back then and people farmed them for valor). All the claims "must have 940+ and achievement" doesn't apply in my opinion, people must be confusing m+15 with normal mythics.

[Ealyssa]

There are classes that are already capable of soloing Mythic zero dungeons.

All tanks can very easily do it with ToS HC+ gear (baring maybe some specific legendaries on a few of them).

MM+0 is a real joke nowadays.