Thoughts on 1080ti + ryzen 1600 instead of a 1080 + 8600k build for 1440p gaming ?

[a C e]

Hey guys,

I’ve been doing plenty of research and i’m really leaning towards a 1080ti + ryzen build for futureproofing reasons

This PC will be mainly used for gaming with a 1440p/144hz monitor.

Mostly i’m going to play AAA games with Dota2 + WoW( i know that intel>ryzen for WoW but is the difference that huge ?)


thoughts on the build ?

Asus B350-f mobo
Ryzen 1600 OC @3.8
3200 MHZ 8gb x 2 that can hit 3000+
1080 ti

[Chickat]

If you can afford it, I see no reason why you wouldnt go with intel.

[Salty Maud]

(i know that intel>ryzen for WoW but is the difference that huge ?)

Not necessarily something that would normally cause any meaningful difference in general gaming but...

144hz monitor.

Pretty much any CPU can handle 60fps in most games, but for high refresh rate gaming, go with the best option you can afford. 8600k definitely over anything at the AMD side. Also WoW, single thread perf bound. You wont sustain 144fps in raids with any CPU on the market, but 8600k would still get you few extra frames.

[a C e]

The only reason why i’m going for the Ryzen is because the 8600k+cooler+z370 board will cost me atleast 200-300 more dollors in my country.

More importantly, from what I’ve heard. The b350 mobo will support ryzen models upto 2020, this means I can save up to buy a top of the line Zen+/Zen2 CPU next year.

[Salty Maud]

The only reason why i’m going for the Ryzen is because the 8600k+cooler+z370 board will cost me atleast 200-300 more dollors in my country.

Cost is a valid reason to not go with 8600k. Like i said, buy the best you can comfortably afford.

More importantly, from what I’ve heard. The b350 mobo will support ryzen models upto 2020, this means I can save up to buy a top of the line Zen+/Zen2 CPU next year.

Could be. Whether sacrificing current performance for possible future upgradability is worth it is a whole another question.

Used 7700k could be a very good option too for gaming specifically. I would imagine there is plenty of supply for reasonable price now that coffee lake is out.

Wait, i just realized you were trying to choose between 1600+1080ti vs 8600k+1080. I thought both builds would include the ti. Now that's a tough one. For 4k gaming i would have definitely said the one with 1080ti, but for 144hz gaming i don't think there is a right answer. In some cases the CPU would be the issue trying to reach 144 fps, in others the GPU. I would say that if you value high(er) graphical settings over reaching 144 fps, go with 1600+1080ti. If aiming for the 144 fps is more important than high settings, go with 8600k+1080.

[Kagthul]

Hey guys,

I’ve been doing plenty of research and i’m really leaning towards a 1080ti + ryzen build for futureproofing reasons

What futureproofing reasons are those, exactly?

[azkhane]

1080ti + ryzen is a no brainer, for the same price the cpu performance that the 8600k can posibly have over the ryzen pales to the MASSIVE fps bosst u will get from a 1080ti vs a 1080

[Planetdune]

If you can afford a 1080ti I don't see why you could not afford a Intel.. I mean the Ryzen isn't bad but it is not the real deal.

[Lillpapps]

It's not future proofing buying a cpu that is worse than 5 year old intel cpu. Because of its shitty clock speed it will continue to be outperformed.

[a C e]

If you can afford a 1080ti I don't see why you could not afford a Intel.. I mean the Ryzen isn't bad but it is not the real deal.

With the budget I have,

I can either buy a 1080ti + 1600 + 350b or a 1080 + 8600k + cooler + z370 board.

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What futureproofing reasons are those, exactly?

a 1080ti can easily last me 2-3 years+ and since Zen2/Zen+ will most likely work on AM4 boards, I will be able to upgrade my CPU without the need to replace anything else.

Theoretically, This PC can last me at least 3 years.

[Salty Maud]

1080ti + ryzen is a no brainer, for the same price the cpu performance that the 8600k can posibly have over the ryzen pales to the MASSIVE fps bosst u will get from a 1080ti vs a 1080

It's not that simple really in case of 144hz gaming. 1080ti would definitely give you better gains with high graphical settings, but not necessarily reach 144 FPS. Better CPU with lesser GPU might have better chances reaching that magical 144 frames per second if you are willing to lower the graphical settings. The real choice in this case is framerates vs eyecandy.

[a C e]

Cost is a valid reason to not go with 8600k. Like i said, buy the best you can comfortably afford.

Could be. Whether sacrificing current performance for possible future upgradability is worth it is a whole another question.

Used 7700k could be a very good option too for gaming specifically. I would imagine there is plenty of supply for reasonable price now that coffee lake is out.

Wait, i just realized you were trying to choose between 1600+1080ti vs 8600k+1080. I thought both builds would include the ti. Now that's a tough one. For 4k gaming i would have definitely said the one with 1080ti, but for 144hz gaming i don't think there is a right answer. In some cases the CPU would be the issue trying to reach 144 fps, in others the GPU. I would say that if you value high(er) graphical settings over reaching 144 fps, go with 1600+1080ti. If aiming for the 144 fps is more important than high settings, go with 8600k+1080.

I only want to hit 144 fps in "E-sport" games like Dota2 ( games that will give me an advantage for reaching it)

I really do not expect to hit 144 fps+ on every game.

[Gaidax]

Get 8600K or 8700K and 1080.

Thing is CPUs are here the thing that can be used for many many years, while GPUs get outdated within like 2-3 years at most (especially since Pascal is on its last leg really and Volta or even Pascal refresh is just a matter of not that much time).

So get 1080 now and replace it in 2 years, while 8600K or even better 8700K will last you for 5 years easy, instead of getting Ryzen now and praying that refresh, zen+ or whatever will be significantly better.

Dota and WoW don't need 1080Ti at all, WoW needs strong CPU and for the rest AAA games, 1080 is fine for 1440p, unless you are hellbent on cranking up every last setting to ultra max bbq level.

[Tommi]

It's not future proofing buying a cpu that is worse than 5 year old intel cpu. Because of its shitty clock speed it will continue to be outperformed.

Clock speed isn't everything. Remember when 2.5Ghz Athlons would rip Pentium 4 3Ghz apart? Good times, good times.

@OP - Just to point out something. Make sure you find RAM that is Samsung B-die. Those are the best you can get for Ryzen.

[a C e]

Clock speed isn't everything. Remember when 2.5Ghz Athlons would rip Pentium 4 3Ghz apart? Good times, good times.

@OP - Just to point out something. Make sure you find RAM that is Samsung B-die. Those are the best you can get for Ryzen.

Yep, planing one finding one here locally.

Would any B-die reach 3200 or some ?

[Tommi]

Yep, planing one finding one here locally.

Would any B-die reach 3200 or some ?

Samsung B-die is known to have the best overclockability AND latency for Ryzen, but finding RAM which has it can be hard or expensive. Some of the crucial RAM of the exact same model has chips with Samsung or Hynix and it's a lottery to which version you get.
Ryzen loves RAM speed, although above 3200, the performance boost starts to drop off rapidly. For example, this RAM is known for being garenteed Samsung B-die if you can get it: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-...my-08l-tg.html

[Kagthul]

a 1080ti can easily last me 2-3 years+ and since Zen2/Zen+ will most likely work on AM4 boards, I will be able to upgrade my CPU without the need to replace anything else.

I think you're vastly overestimating how much better Zen+ and Zen2 are going to be.

Theoretically, This PC can last me at least 3 years.

It should last you more like 5-6.

CPU power growth is at an all time low. Zen+ and Zen2 aren't going to change that. Theyre running up against the laws of physics.

"Future Proofing" your computer isn't even something that is worthwhile at this point. Before the CPU starts slowing you down, you're going to want to upgrade to a newer motherboard anyway for USB4, Thunderbolt 4, and/or whatever other platform improvements there have been.

As for the actual topic - 144fps in "eSports" games is easily achievable with a 1070, much less a 1080.

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Clock speed isn't everything. Remember when 2.5Ghz Athlons would rip Pentium 4 3Ghz apart? Good times, good times.

Yes, because the Athlons' IPC was better.

In this case, however, Intel's IPC is still better by about 8-15%, AND the CPUs clock 25% higher.

Its a pretty sizable performance gap. Which is not to say Ryzen is bad. It isn't.

[azkhane]

that mostly depends of the resolution, the higher the resolution less impact have the cpu and more the gpu (unless cpu bottleneck gpu which is not the case), i dont thing he will have any problem reaching 144+fps in any e sports game with any setup, but 1080ti will give more fps and graphic quality on any resolution + much better fps on higher ones (2k mostly i think is the current sweet spot for esport gaming at high fps)

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Both systems will handle 1440p pretty well to be honest.

For pure gaming the obvious option is the Intel + Ti option for the extra couple hundred bucks because this obviously isn't a budget build. No reason to start pretending at the last couple feet of the race.

Odds are if that 200-300 is the deal breaking price limit range I probably would go with the AMD / Ti option. Processor matters a lot less in MOST AAA games. Particular if you like ballsy FPS games in that AAA branch. Although in some games, WoW particular, you will see a very so slight drop.

Then again the Intel / 1080 option is pretty much the same thing. I am not totally up and up on the new features of the 8600k but I know my 7700K / 1080 build runs every AAA game on my 1440p gsync screen like butter.

So in the end, truth be told, I think you really cannot go wrong with either option. Depends on what you play and how much 1-3 frames matter to you for this and next year and in which games you see that 1-3 frame difference. If you spend 20+ hours a week playing WoW and then 10ish hours dabbling in other AAA games I would say the Intel / 1080 choice will serve you better since it will drive WoW just better now and going into the next few expansions (not to mention a future upgrade of only a video card is a LOT easier to get best of both worlds). If you reverse that and spend 20+ hours hitting the AAA titles and only log in 6-9 hours a week on WoW to raid the AMD / Ti option ends up serving you slightly better in my opinion. But again, I don't think either on your desk will end up as a regret. It is more where do you want to squeeze a hair or two more in what department.

You need to look at what you play the most. What games you are looking forward to the most. Then look into how dependent they are on CPU and GPU. If you find most of them screaming for CPU (like WoW) than go with the Intel choice. If you see things are demanding more and more GPU than the Ti is really where you want to go making the AMD the choice.

[moremana]

What your going to get here for advice is opinions.

However.. @Yggdrasil has the right mindset.

I came from a 7700k to a 1600X, only because my son wanted to sell his older pc to his friend so they could play games online together and I basically gave him my 7700k.

I went to Ryzen because I dont play wow that much anymore and the new Intel CPUs wont work on z270s, so I basically gave a .|.. to Intel.

I still play wow just not 20+ hours a week. The 1600 runs everything flawlessly with my video card for what I do. I have this PC set the exact same way in wow my other one was and I see no difference at all.

Games I play:
SC 2
WoW
Overwatch
GTA V

Now onto the motherboard you are thinking about. I built a system exactly like mine for a friend, except the mb was the very same one you are linking. We could not get any ram pass 2133 stable, I have a Gskill Fortis 2666 set in my 1700 rig, we tried that as well to no avail. He bought the Corsair LPX 3000, which even states in the memory support it works at 2933, it didnt. After 3 days of messing with it, talking to Asus, he RMAd it and got the B350 Tomahawk, OCed and ram runs smooth at 2933.

The B350F Gaming also does not OC well, it only has offset voltage setting and it would jump all over the place, from 1.16 - 1.567 no matter what offset we and Asus tried. You can not control the vcore setting with that board.

On the Asus forums, it seems to be a big problem with ram and OCing, a lot of people are having the same problem. Just a heads up. Maybe Asus updates it with a new bios, however the problems have been there since March and its still there.

Im not trying to sell you on the Tomahawk, but do some forum research on whatever board you decide on, not just because of the name.