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  1. #61
    Surprised it didn't happen earlier, Russia doesn't really have the money to procure a counterpart 5th gen stealth fighter, i believe it will be the same with the T-14 and all vehicles based on its chassis, it will remain mostly as May 9th parade vehicle.

    They will stick to making a better Anti-air and Anti-ship systems to somehow counter Western Air and Naval power and upgrade its old fleet of T-72's and T-80's with new FCS's engines and Relikt based armor kits to have a relevant ground force, because frankly that's the only course of action they can afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    As you have the freedom to start such threads I have the freedom to question them, whether you like it or not.
    You've done that. Good job. Now move on. Nobody's forcing you to click on the thread title.
    Don't confuse me with the US-Slant. I'm the EU-Slant. :P
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Bargaining was earlier in the year
    You just don't know how bargaining works. It's not done after the first instance of it. Especially if you see that the seller is willing to lower the price, you push it to the limit.

    All the stuff you are linking is normal process in any project development that involves two teams. If that meant "the end" - nothing would've been done jointly on this planet.

    Also PAK FA >> F-35
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2017 - that's two-zero-one-seven, as in the 21st Century - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You've done that. Good job. Now move on. Nobody's forcing you to click on the thread title.
    Do you boys want to be alone with your toys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Do you boys want to be alone with your toys?
    Your posts bump the thread so I don't think anybody minds really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    dont think they need well put together cars, but we'll call you if they do.
    America wouldn't have landed on the moon without german scientists.
    That among many other things..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Your posts bump the thread so I don't think anybody minds really.
    It doesn't really matter if I do or don't, Skroe starts salivating over some new piece of kit every few hours or so.
    Reminds me of one of those guys that gets thrown out of hardware stores for rubbing up against plywood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    it makes you look infantile.
    Irony. Honestly no one cares what you think, regardless of how entertaining your replies are. Do your brain a favor and skip threads that doesn't interest you, I'd suggest the, does big foot exist thread, heavy stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne View Post
    Stealth plane conspiracies to discussions about AKs to space rockets. Yup, this is mmo-ot fer sure.
    Yet here you are /facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    America wouldn't have landed on the moon first without german scientists.
    That among many others...
    Fixed for actuality. Also there were no german scientists among the first people on the moon (could not help myself, with the way you structured that sentence).
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2017 - that's two-zero-one-seven, as in the 21st Century - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Am i the only one baffled that a developing nation like India is after high tec planes and MF aircraft carriers, my aunt went there last year and she got shocked with the sanitary and transportation conditions from that place ;(
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    So having sex is immoral and shameful?
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    Yes, and unsanitary as well. IF it wasnt it wouldnt be censored on TV and in movies (outside of porn)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Fixed for actuality. Also there were no german scientists among the first people on the moon (could not help myself, with the way you structured that sentence).
    How cheeky

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Irony. Honestly no one cares what you think,
    So why did you respond then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    So why did you respond then?
    Oh you’re one of thoose people, who thinks that people who reply to your posts, care about your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxymoronic View Post
    they do? had no idea.
    Yeh they parked a nuclear armed carrier next to them in their sea in the Cold War, they didn't like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radaney View Post
    Yeh they parked a nuclear armed carrier next to them in their sea in the Cold War, they didn't like that.
    India and the US have been build a warmer and warmer relationship for 20 years.

    We wouldn't gift naval reactor and carrier launch and recovery technology to a country we didn't.

    Your information is out of date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    You just don't know how bargaining works. It's not done after the first instance of it. Especially if you see that the seller is willing to lower the price, you push it to the limit.
    First, no. You're actually just factually out of date at this point. India is outtie.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    All the stuff you are linking is normal process in any project development that involves two teams. If that meant "the end" - nothing would've been done jointly on this planet.
    No. This is the follow up to that. Negotiations failed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Also PAK FA >> F-35
    No. In so many ways.

    First the PAK FA is principally an air superiority fighter. The F-35 is a multi-role strike vehicle.

    If the F-35 ever got in range of a PAK FA (or a SU-35S, or anything else), the F-35 pilot seriously screwed up. Rather the F-35 powerful senses or electronic warfare suit allow it to fire long range missiles first, and utilize it's EW systems and stealth to dart in and out of detectability of enemy aircraft.

    Or to put it simply, if four Su-35s came up against a mix of European F-35s and Eurofighter Typhoons, the Typhoons would hang back and wait for the MBDA Meteor armed F-35s to pick off as many Su-35s from long range first, before having the faster and more maneuverable Typhoons go into clean up the ones that got away. With respect to the US, this is why the F-35 is being armed first with the AIM-120D (medium/long range Air to Air Missile), while the F-22 is paired with the short/medium range AIM-9X.

    It will be very hard for any aircraft in the world to survive that initial volley by F-35s with the Meteor or AIM 120D.

    Secondly, the PAK FA's capabilities are something of a joke. Technologically it is a moderately modified SU-35S, which puts it a good 20-25 years behind the F-35. The sensor fusion, distributed internal systems, artificial intelligence, control systems, computer-human teaming that are the core of the F-35s technology set is incomparable to the PAK FA. It's engines aren't even stealthy.

    Also there is a major limitation of the crappy PAK FA: it can't utilize its internal bays to fire missiles or drop bombs at supersonic speeds. It has to rely on it's external pylons for that task. By contrast the F-35 and F-22 can do that, and in fact, will almost never carry external ordinance.

    So much for its "stealth"!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulslaver View Post
    America wouldn't have landed on the moon without german scientists.
    That among many other things..
    America would not have put a rocket in space as early without German scientists. That is absolutely true.

    But put a man on the moon? The Apollo era rockets started to be generated, fabricated and perfected between 1964-1968. And they were built on contract not by government agencies (who in a public-private partnership participated in the design phase), but by private industry. The Saturn V was produced cooperatively by Boeing (S-IC first stage), North American Aviation (S-II second stage) and Douglas (S-IV, the third stage). The command/Service Module was built by North American and Rockwell. The Apollo Lunar module was built by Grumman.

    America got German scientists. It didn't scoop up that many German scientists. Any by 1965, it was largely just figures like Werner von Braun in oversight roles, far reduced from the 'heyday' of German scientists in the early 1950s.

    My great uncle was an second-generation Italian American. He worked directly on the Lunar Module. His slide rule that he used on the program is one of my most prized possessions.

    German scientists got America's rocket program going, but America had 15 years to build a rocket industry of its own. And today? Our world leading space industry has very little heritage in the early 1950s designs. The one thing left to shed is junking the Atlas V and it's RD-180, but even that was a early 1990s join American-Russian project.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    First, no. You're actually just factually out of date at this point. India is outtie.
    Nothing in what you linked says that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    No. This is the follow up to that. Negotiations failed.
    Nope.


    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    No. In so many ways.
    Yes, in every practical way. F-35 is useless in real combat scenario against an adversary with anti-stealth and the best anti-air technology, there will be no su-35s to pick off from a far, reign in your wet fantasies. Ruskies are not stupid. You will pick off unmanned decoys, reveal your positions and die. But don't fret. F-35 will never be used before it's replaced with some other new better and stealthier mutliroler kid. It's just a corruption scheme. Maybe just maybe you get to see it used against camels and civilians. Picking them off from a far, before the cavalry flies in. They will not know what hit them, no siree.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2017 - that's two-zero-one-seven, as in the 21st Century - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vivapin8 View Post
    Am i the only one baffled that a developing nation like India is after high tec planes and MF aircraft carriers, my aunt went there last year and she got shocked with the sanitary and transportation conditions from that place ;(
    Indiana? Haven't visited that state yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne View Post
    Indiana? Haven't visited that state yet.
    For real man india does have way more important uses for that money, than high tec airplanes and a aircraft carrier...i get it from countries like saudi arabia or N. Korea, but india should have policies for better life of the people...
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    So having sex is immoral and shameful?
    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    Yes, and unsanitary as well. IF it wasnt it wouldnt be censored on TV and in movies (outside of porn)

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    You mean a Russian fighter made post-90s brain drain is a pile of shit? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    AHAHAHA, you and your links again. Damn you fail at propaganda Skroe.
    You link sources keep referencing itself and a same article you linked before, with it's most credible source being "unknown high ranking general".

    Anybody actually believing this guy is utter retard.
    But since most of the people here take this information as a gospel, i feel sorry for humanity. Critical thinking is not a sin but virtue, people!
    And i'm starting to think you are paid troll, who keeps pushing agenda with garbage sources.

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