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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    The unidentified species are interesting but usually little more than inconsequential soft-bodied creatures and weird fish.

    Archaeological finds are unlikely. Nowhere currently in "the deep ocean" ever played host to any human civilization.
    How many medicines are animal derived? So to say they may be inconsequential is shortsighted in the least. One of them soft bodied creatures could be the source to a cancer treatment. There could be up to half a million unidentified creatures ranging from Giant squid size to microscopic left to be found. To say there is nothing to be gained from that....lol

    Shipwrecks are also part of archeology. Beyond that there are probably LOTS of settlements along the what would have been the coasts prior to the Ice Caps melting ~12k years ago.
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    They are really at the core different objectives for space or deep sea exploration. Deep sea research might have some biological study benefits, or medicinal, and even archeological.

    Space exploration on other hand really hits the heart of our philosophy and religion. In a small way every journey to space is trying to answer what/who created us (and why), is Earth special or just one of thousands of planets with life, can we find another possible planet that will support human life and before Earth has an extinction event of some type? Plus there are military and commercial benefits with space exploration, which means that's where the big money goes.

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    Yep. Don't stop till we've located Atlantis and there's no more treasures to haul up
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    Not before we deal with global warming, just for safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    How many medicines are animal derived? So to say they may be inconsequential is shortsighted in the least. One of them soft bodied creatures could be the source to a cancer treatment. There could be up to half a million unidentified creatures ranging from Giant squid size to microscopic left to be found. To say there is nothing to be gained from that....lol
    According to your link, not actually that many. Most of them appear to be pharmaceutical substances, not some "cancer miracle cure." And they mostly come from mammals, not obscure fish.

    Also, you can be more or less safely assured that there probably aren't many more "giant squid" sized creatures living in the deep, and certainly nothing like a sea monster or megalodon or some such. Humans would have encountered one by now, either directly or through fossil evidence. Giant Squids, Sperm whales, and other "deep sea lurkers" had all been seen by humans for hundreds of years.

    Shipwrecks are also part of archeology. Beyond that there are probably LOTS of settlements along the what would have been the coasts prior to the Ice Caps melting ~12k years ago.
    Those wouldn't occupy the "deep ocean," and it's likely said archaeological remains would have been largely decimated by tens of thousands of years of erosion. Unlike ships that sank and were buried on the ocean floor; they'd be sites that had constant wave action working over them for a great deal of time before eventually being submerged beneath sea level.

    That's a terrible environment for preservation.


    Archaeology might be "interesting," but it's certainly not a "this will establish the future of humanity" thing like space exploration would be.
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    No, no no.

    We should invest more into aircraft carriers and other things that benefit rich tycoons, gigantic corporations and corrupt politicians.

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    Recently watched Blue Planet II (because David Attenborough is amazing) and it got me thinking about a subject I have mentioned before but Should we consider more investment in undersea research and exploration?

    I suspect a number of space buffs will say no and suggest most investment should go into space exploration because we fucked the planet up but to me that's defeatist /shrug over 70% of the planet is ocean and we still haven't scratched the secrets within that could drastically improve our lives both medically and scientific
    How is this even a question?

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    No, we need to look towards space. We've reached the point where that must take priority. Sure, probably not the same departments doing these things, but most of the resources should go to space stuff.

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    Yes, absolutely. I find it hilarious and alarming that people really think we're anywhere near "traversing the stars". What a delusional thought that is. We need to completely map out the oceans, find everything it has to offer, and then we can start digging to do the same in our crust and beyond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    Yes, absolutely. I find it hilarious and alarming that people really think we're anywhere near "traversing the stars". What a delusional thought that is. We need to completely map out the oceans, find everything it has to offer, and then we can start digging to do the same in our crust and beyond.
    ...to what end?

    Unless you're proposing that people live under the ocean or some such, there's not much to be gained from oceanic exploration beyond scientific curiosity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    ...to what end?

    Unless you're proposing that people live under the ocean or some such, there's not much to be gained from oceanic exploration beyond scientific curiosity.
    What sticks out right away is finding Peking Man, and the never ending quest to unlock the mystery of the Greenland Shark's long lifespans to further advance our fight against natural aging. There are potentially innumerable other species waiting to be discovered that could have similar ramifications to our technological advancement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWorkingTitle View Post
    What sticks out right away is finding Peking Man,
    And you're going to find that... underwater?

    and the never ending quest to unlock the mystery of the Greenland Shark's long lifespans to further advance our fight against natural aging.
    We have greenland sharks. They're rare, but they regularly come to the surface.

    There are potentially innumerable other species waiting to be discovered that could have similar ramifications to our technological advancement.
    That's a pretty big "could."
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    Seas on Earth: 10-11 km deep at maximum. Earth's diameter is about 12,700 km. Even with all its mountains and all the depths of the sea, Earth's crust would still be smoother than a billiard ball - relatively, of course.

    Space: infinite.

    While it's important to understand what's going on in the depths, submarines aren't going to save humanity if an asteroid strike wipes out all life on the planet.

    A colony of a sufficient size on another planet, however, will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    And you're going to find that... underwater?
    One of the accepted theories of where Peking Man went is underwater. And if not him, sunken civilizations. Millions of acres of land are now underwater that were once part of Pangaea above water.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    We have greenland sharks. They're rare, but they regularly come to the surface.
    We know almost nothing about them, and it's extremely difficult to get live specimens both literally and legally.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science...ies-ncna812671 food for thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    That's a pretty big "could."
    It's a bigger leap saying that it's improbable than it is saying it's probable. So, not really. Especially so if you realize we've discovered less than 20% of Earth's species.

    Tons of medical advancements have been made through discoveries of new plants and animals. To think we've done all we can is extremely shortsighted.

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    I think we should rather than focus on Outer Space projects. The Oceans of the Earth have enough potential to benefit mankind for untold thousands of years into the future. I actually have more concerns for the pollution of our Oceans than I do for Global warming. The Oceans even hold great promise for energy regeneration. And I am not talking about off shore oil drilling. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gahmuret View Post
    Seas on Earth: 10-11 km deep at maximum. Earth's diameter is about 12,700 km. Even with all its mountains and all the depths of the sea, Earth's crust would still be smoother than a billiard ball - relatively, of course.

    Space: infinite.

    While it's important to understand what's going on in the depths, submarines aren't going to save humanity if an asteroid strike wipes out all life on the planet.

    A colony of a sufficient size on another planet, however, will.
    Colonies underwater and self sufficient could. Depends on how large of a asteroid hits. The cost to get to a planet which is not hostile to humans and is suitable for human growth, would take longer to reach and cost more. We can do it quicker and cheaper in our own Oceans.

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    The only way it's getting funded is if you discover something the public finds interesting. Unless it's a hidden super valuable resource, but I very much doubt that.
    Knowing how people respond to discoveries, if it isn't a massive sea monster down there, it's not interesting enough. Even though they may be completely new to science, blind fish, gray crabs and illuminating squids just don't capture the peoples attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colactic View Post
    The only way it's getting funded is if you discover something the public finds interesting. Unless it's a hidden super valuable resource, but I very much doubt that.
    Knowing how people respond to discoveries, if it isn't a massive sea monster down there, it's not interesting enough. Even though they may be completely new to science, blind fish, gray crabs and illuminating squids just don't capture the peoples attention.
    There are vast resources in the Oceans. The main problem is the lack of funding to insure we can explore it enough to know. There is more square miles of surfaces under water than there are above the Oceans. More than twice as much. But your point is still well made. The problem is a lack of interest and focus by those who can make a difference.

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