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  1. #21
    Over a 5 minute fight, fury warriors would do an extra 150 million damage or so compared to a sub rogue. Not likely it stays exactly like this, but that's funny.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamercus View Post
    Over a 5 minute fight, fury warriors would do an extra 150 million damage or so compared to a sub rogue. Not likely it stays exactly like this, but that's funny.
    but at least we wont die :P

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Tier539 View Post


    Looking at these sims, all 3 specs seem to have dropped considerably. Every other class in the game has atleast one spec that performs better than ALL 3 of the rogue spec, with Fury doing around 35% more than outlaw and 25% more than our highest dps spec (sub). I assume there will be balance changes during heroic, but I can't say I'm not worried about the class in the next tier.
    Those are just sims, the most inaccurate way of checking performance.

  4. #24
    every rogue buff this expac has just been number tuning on our damage aura. Our stats scale terribly so they just tune our damage by 3-6% at a time.

  5. #25
    Were simcraft profiles ever ment to accurately compare damage between classes?
    I feel like people used to say they were more for comparing gear within the same spec than between classes or even specs.
    Maybe thats changed over the years if that was the case?

  6. #26
    Rogues are utter poop in T21, only tuning that's gonna happen is to bump outlaws dmg aura by couple % on hc weeks tuning, ohh and bring Fury down to 2.8M from the current 3M sim profile.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Swalload View Post
    Those are just sims, the most inaccurate way of checking performance.
    actually it's the second most accurate way behind checking logs :P unless you think feelcraft is a more accurate way.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Shenjin View Post
    Were simcraft profiles ever ment to accurately compare damage between classes?
    No. But that never stopped noone.
    A witty saying proves nothing.
    -Voltaire
    not quite Batman
    winning
    "A stick is a love letter that hasn't been made into paper yet."
    plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerroth View Post
    Those sims are pretty irrelevant considering we haven't gotten the balance patch for Antorus yet aka 7.3.5. Also, that list seems a little shady since its completely missing Enhance shamans
    7.3.5 wont be the balance patch. they have stated that any numbers changes will come via hotfix during mythic week.

    wont see 7.3.5 til early in the new year, likely february.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NtflxnChill View Post
    Rogues are utter poop in T21, only tuning that's gonna happen is to bump outlaws dmg aura by couple % on hc weeks tuning, ohh and bring Fury down to 2.8M from the current 3M sim profile.
    also, no soaking. so probably less rogues overall.

  10. #30
    i checked the actual log on those sims and i found they are using gloomblade, wearing insignia of ravenholdt and soul of the shadowblade and 2p t20 and 4p t21. i doubt any of that is accurate
    Last edited by Djanco; 2017-11-14 at 02:29 PM.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Djanco View Post
    i checked the actual log on those sims and i found they are using gloomblade, wearing insignia of ravenholdt and soul of the shadowblade and 2p t20 and 4p t21. i doubt any of that is accurate
    Maybe some of the kinks are still being worked out, but the guys on the ravenholdt discord have gloomblade being the best talent on that tier. Only main difference is the leggos, as according to that sim, insignia and belt are simming the highest with 2 piece t20/ 4 piece t21.

  12. #32
    T21 Sims are INNACURATE right now because we don't had the balance hotfix (Ion said there will be one "shortly after Antorus release")

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    "The last class balance was for 7.2.5 and since we take maybe 30 iLvls. The scaling of rogue is weird, so we have to wait until the new class balance next month to set the record straight."

  13. #33
    Even if nothing changed (which it will), the sims will be misleading when you account for the mechanics of any given fight. In fact, I'd wager that Assassination will outrank Sub on Antorus logs, just because the Sub rotation is much more difficult to execute perfectly, which is what these numbers reflect.

    One great example of this is Afflication Warlocks. SimulationCraft has them as one of the worst specs in the game this tier. Warcraft Logs has them as the clear frontrunner of the entire game.
    Last edited by Shoeboots; 2017-11-14 at 08:23 PM.

  14. #34
    Subs rotation is not harder to execute, but it relies on a good dfa hit inside the sod window with guaranteed crits when vanish is ready.
    Assa rogue needs procs on top of procs to go real high.
    On fights with heavy movement and soak shit like avatar for example, assa can outdps sub.
    I say, in Antorus, Sub and Assa will be almost equal with Outlaw hanging behind.
    Dying could endanger your health!

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