Wrath of the Lich King - Patch Notes

[coocoo]

woot, no changes to hunter's trueshot aura, it's still unscalable piece of crap compared to the stackable + scalable bm talent at same tier, which also boosts caster's damage.
good job blizz!

[Arcano]

I just hope the paladin notes a re a joke, that is the greatest nerf from all the times

[Marvdatboi]

WTF is with this base mana bullshit on spells. What they don't want spells to me cast often now? So casters have to run around whacking things with their satff as a faux melee.... not smart Blizz.

[babathong]

If those are the core changes for Ret paladins, thx blizz... but I'll pass and focus on my Prot Warrior unfortunatelly (where the real buffs for Warriors are)

WotlK is suposed to REAL buff Ret Paladins, even more than anything avaiable for Holy and Prot ('cause they're really far behind holy and prot). Instead I see hammer of nerf hitting Rets to buff Holy/Prot. Lay on Hands, Raid wide Auras, etc... aren't exclusive to Ret... any Pally spec have those.

Why not move Precision AND divine strengh to Ret (never saw precision in warrior's prot tree) to actually help them? Does Prot needs str more than Ret or even Holy spec? LOL well, looks like we can get stoicism after all without loosing too many precious talent points.

And increased mana cost? I tought that Ret paladins would use the same warrior/dk gear, wich means, 0 intelect. Maybe there is a hidden change were ret recovers 500 mana per hit, or increase mana poll by str *100, crusader strike and judgements doesn't use mana anymore, protects against mana burn, something like that..

"Improved Sanctity Aura (Retribution) renamed Sanctified Retribution, now causes all units affected by Retribution Aura to cause 2% more damage." - DPS aren't suposed to get hit! No way that is better than +10% Holy Damage from old sanctity aura (and chance for a raid slot when there are Prot Paladins) for ret pally dmg.

Maybe they actually want to improve Ret Paladins as off-healers with new LoH and BoL into heals and avenging wrath increasing heals... lol

"Repentance (Retribution) mana cost changed to 9% of base, duration increased to 1 minute (10 second PvP duration), now usable against Demons, Dragonkin, Giants, Humanoids and Undead."

Ah, now I can see the reason they're nerfing Ret... that's soo overpowered... now I can "Repensisted" someone in pvp for much more mana cost and a ridiculous few more secs! LOL!

At least Holy Wrath is a little bit more usefull... but not game breaking to worth all this "Ret Love" by blizz. They also said that ret paladins would be less "lucky" based, but they're going full "when critical hit"... crit chance is lucky!

"Good Job" Blizz.

As you stated ..... "Improved Sanctity Aura (Retribution) renamed Sanctified Retribution, now causes all units affected by Retribution Aura to cause 2% more damage." - DPS aren't suposed to get hit! No way that is better than +10% Holy Damage from old sanctity aura (and chance for a raid slot when there are Prot Paladins) for ret pally dmg.".

....first of all...if your a real ret pally you would have imp sanctity aura to begin with which gives everyone in your group %10 more holy damage and %2 more total damage. This is no different than whats stated above with the exception of the new name for it.

I do agree.....Ret pallies are getting almost zero in these patch notes. Blizzard continues to contradict themselves by sayin that ret pallies will mirror warriors and death knights. Then they go and reduce our Avenging Wrath from %30 to %20 increased damage.

They also were suppose to get rid of the ret pallies mana issues. All I see is more mana issues.

Im at a loss for words....I figured that the reason it took all this time for the pally tree to come out was because they were making it so much better. Im very disappointed.

[dotsdotsdots]

what about warlocks? they didn't get the needed buff to be able to compete with rogues :<

and I think warriors are gonne beat the shit out of most classes. 2-hand weapons in one hand? whirl-wind attack, unstoppable? 25yr jump with stun-effect every 45 sec? Execute at full HP? Now they are a bit like rogues, only wearing plate...my guess is that they are gone be the new owner class.

[Nuronv]

WoW people are grumpy,

"WTF is with this base mana bullshit on spells. What they don't want spells to me cast often now? So casters have to run around whacking things with their satff as a faux melee.... not smart Blizz."

Did you actually calculate the cost of the spells? Its BASE mana all that means is that the value changes every time you level, it doesn't mean its going to be a % of your mana pool

""Improved Sanctity Aura (Retribution) renamed Sanctified Retribution, now causes all units affected by Retribution Aura to cause 2% more damage." - DPS aren't suposed to get hit!""

It means the all party/raid members deal 2% more damage when you have it on, NOT that the reactive damage does 2% more damage

""Repentance (Retribution) mana cost changed to 9% of base, duration increased to 1 minute (10 second PvP duration), now usable against Demons, Dragonkin, Giants, Humanoids and Undead."

Ah, now I can see the reason they're nerfing Ret... that's soo overpowered... now I can "Repensisted" someone in pvp for much more mana cost and a ridiculous few more secs! LOL!"

Oh yes its a nerf for those ret paladins who want to PvE....you know the ones that now have a CC on par with something like Sap. Add that to the 51 talent that heals people in melee range every 10 seconds by doing damage to multiple target. The only "problem" is a limited mana supply.....which is shared by your enhancement breathin

[Caelic]

And yet BoK is still not baseline :'(

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[LavaDuck]

What are you trying to say.. Hotmail isn't working, or when you have an hotmail account, you can't get a key ?. O.O

im saying that i can login to my hotmail account and check mail for beta key :<

[HellBurn]

omfg, mages get NOTHING

[Pantheon]

From a glance...

At least you can see how they fixed the totem twisting bug. They merged SoE and GoA into 1 totem, so now you keep windfury down + SoE without twisting, and there is no longer a tranqil air totem. In general from the listings for many classes, they rolled the unique things from one into another. Like druids can now rez like normal (non battle) and shammies can cleanse like priests/plds and the like.

Tons of paladin changes, althought i dont know about the actual usage/effects. Like lay on hands no longer drains all mana.. uhh ok..
I did notice many things like counterspell / turn undead and the like were no longer small casts but almost 10% base mana casts. And notice the salvation nerf? 2% for 10 secs but costs 10% damage and healing.

With some of the changes, yep, its a beta alright. I think they are going to rely a lot more from experimenting once beta testers start giving feedback (as expected). I dig theorycrafting different classes, so I'll have see what the end result is if one of my accounts makes it in.

From what I see, they are indeed removing unique abilities so classes are closer together, at the same time, removing the 'lazy' abilities to make people focus more on their skill versus relying on spells, buffs / etc.

--Pantheon - Cenarius--

[Cronica]

NO fun stuff to mages (as always) NO DPS boost or anything (AS ALWAYYYS!) ...
And tons off stuff on damage +++ and decrese damage taken on locks . GG ...
Please MAKE SP Vamp usefull for others also then just Shadow damage (locks only buff bla bla bla) (insert fire/frost etc) as curse of elements is now.

BUT IQ and blizz dont mix AS ALWAYS .. Damn retards !

[el_caballero]

my prayers have been heard ;D

[LavaDuck]

Seems they havent changed tooltip for Guardian totems yet
Windwall totem is being removed while the talent still increases amount reduced :>

Ah well, that's why we have beta :>

[Spikier]

I just read all of the archievements .. and some of them are just silly. But I'm glad they added them, because it adds a little extra to wow, which will be fun. Oh and good job Bou, for adding all these things, really good job.

[F-Minus]

It only took them ~5 years to remove wand specialization from DISC? Woohoo, by this rate, all your fears and suggested fixes will come every ~5 years, have no fear, eventually, when you're old you will have great balanced classes.

[kartu]

As you stated ..... "Improved Sanctity Aura (Retribution) renamed Sanctified Retribution, now causes all units affected by Retribution Aura to cause 2% more damage." - DPS aren't suposed to get hit!

Wait a sec, doesn't it mean, that your raid will do 2% more dmg, because of your retri aura?

[Rav]

so much QQ...

OMG its BETA!!

the beta for TBC had 41 pt talents which later became trainable, or much lower tiers, or changed completely.