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    Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    This spec is made after i read and checked the new pet talents that increase party AP and shit so what do you guys think of this:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000


    And if you wonder about Effiency Tbh we hunters dont go oom and with imp aspects we rly wont

    Id like to hear youre comments on this spec and plz consider the spec with pets talents also.

  2. #2

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by nsdtr
    This spec is made after i read and checked the new pet talents that increase party AP and shit so what do you guys think of this:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000


    And if you wonder about Effiency Tbh we hunters dont go oom and with imp aspects we rly wont

    Id like to hear youre comments on this spec and plz consider the spec with pets talents also.
    since you WONT be using aspect of the viper when dpsing you will run oom...

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    Would be alot better this way you can basicly spam arcane shot aswell and everything else you ahve at your disposal
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    killing a new raid boss is like having multiple orgasms only better.

  3. #3

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Careful Aim may be better than rapid killing depending on itemization, though we cannot really say yet. Also I think Improved Tracking (+5% dmg) will overtake Aspect Mastery (+150 AP) in dps at a certain gear point

  4. #4

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    First answer to Wupday: Do you play lvl 70 hunter in raids? I do and even if i use Hawk i might go low on mana when boss is under 50% and the i take one fel mana potion and keep shooting and dont go oom.


    Naswer to Nymrhod: Maybe 5% more dmg will be better but 150ap wil be nice since in raids you always use Hawk and considering the trees Bm hunters will get a nice amount of ap from the int, i mean right now im at 260 int will be more in wotlk and then i get 100% of to ap, thats a nice increase.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    In that spec you lose Valuable DPS from Not reducing Rapid Fire CD with 2 Minutes since you reduce cd on beastwithin

  7. #7

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    I'm making a purely mathematical comment here. Aspect if the Monkey is a static +150 AP boost which is certainly nice. However at some point in itemization, it will be better to go with improved tracking since percentile bonuses always scale better. Technically there are different itemization checkpoints where for max dps you want 4/1 3/2 2/3 1/4 as well between those two talents. Now that checkpoint may either be unreachable which means hunters will stick to Aspect of the Monkey, or it may be easily reachable which means they will never spec for it (unless we get a lot of untyped monsters).

  8. #8

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by nsdtr
    In that spec you lose Valuable DPS from Not reducing Rapid Fire CD with 2 Minutes since you reduce cd on beastwithin
    It depends on the math, sir, which no one can do yet. =] If math turns out to mean that 2 rapid fires is more DPS than 2% more damage to a fight then you would pull two from Tracking to that. Assumptions are just that: assumptions.

  9. #9

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Not to mention that the output of additional rapid fire depends on buff stacking and the number of additional rapid fires depends entirely on the duration of the encounter.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd
    I'm making a purely mathematical comment here. Aspect if the Monkey is a static +150 AP boost which is certainly nice. However at some point in itemization, it will be better to go with improved tracking since percentile bonuses always scale better. Technically there are different itemization checkpoints where for max dps you want 4/1 3/2 2/3 1/4 as well between those two talents. Now that checkpoint may either be unreachable which means hunters will stick to Aspect of the Monkey, or it may be easily reachable which means they will never spec for it (unless we get a lot of untyped monsters).
    Aspect of the Hawk is 300 AP at new max rank. That means it becomes 450 with 5 points. Taking 2 points out brings it down to a 100
    AP increase. At no point will 50 extra attack power be greater than 2% increased damage across all sources.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Not that I know anything yet, but MM might get to be the raiding spec again in wotlk. A lot of nice points there for both pve and pvp (mostly pvp). I dont raid anyways but yeah, it was before tbc, might be again? what do you think?

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Inus
    Not that I know anything yet, but MM might get to be the raiding spec again in wotlk. A lot of nice points there for both pve and pvp (mostly pvp). I dont raid anyways but yeah, it was before tbc, might be again? what do you think?
    Nah. 20% haste will always be the end all talent, so unless they remove it or give the other specs something good like that I can never see it happening. Wild Quiver was the first talent that really seemed to try and do this- but the percentage is still too low and the 60% damage is still bad.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Wild Quiver is a good concept but needs to be buffed either in damage or better in proc chance. Piercing shots is decent. Marked for Death is an excellent 45 pointer. However they cannot make up for the damage gap between BM and MM. Also MM still has horrible mana regen. Maybe if they fix a few more talents or increase the tree utility it will be more viable (raid wide TSA for instance?)
    Meanwhile survival has gained even more utility with hunting party, and one survival hunter would be very welcome in any raid or party (and if explosive shot works well it may even do decent damage).

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    You are all forgetting one thing. WF will give 20% haste already so serpent swiftness loses its touch a bit in expansion since too much haste is still a waste. MM might actually do better dps than BM after all. It all depends on how much more dps we get from exotic pets.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    It's pretty normal (at least some guilds do it) to bring a survival hunter for ze debuff and they can put out some dps too.

    Yeah you are right, mana is MM's problem. Remember WF = 20% haste now so serpent swiftness + windfury (if it stacks) might ruin your rotation?

  16. #16

    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Well with no clipping, there is not much of a rotation per se. Just using cooldown shots next to steady.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Personally I am a bit weary of how well we will be able to handle what seems to be our far more complex pets alongside our own damage.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Tails
    You are all forgetting one thing. WF will give 20% haste already so serpent swiftness loses its touch a bit in expansion since too much haste is still a waste. MM might actually do better dps than BM after all. It all depends on how much more dps we get from exotic pets.
    There is no clipping. Haste = godly.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    No cliping makes the rotation Arcane shot, steady shot > 20% boss health Kill shot, Steady Shot < 20% boss health. and Bain is right. 40% haste just for having a talent and a shaman is freaking amazing. MM can't touch BM and it won't until a talent on par with Serpent's Swiftness is added.

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    Re: Wotlk BM Spec Best Dmg Spec

    Btw you won;t get more dps from exotic pets so much as from the 5 additional talent points. Though I think you can get all dps talents with 16, you'd have to skip some very useful survivability tools that the pet may very well need.

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