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    Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Ok Ladies and Gents (probably mostly Gents)

    Lets get some decent Ret Builds down , this stuff has been going spiradically through other sites/posts.

    We need to keep updating best builds so when Wotlk comes live I dont hear Retlol thrown around.

    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents2.html?tal=000000000000000000000000005132013000300000000000000005023025122003131321 05201351

    is my choice for PVP/Arena and easy PVE conversion. Check it out and let me know what you think.

    ** notice Sanctified Seals @ 2/3 (66%) yes minus 1% Crit , but coupled with stoicism = 96% chance to not dispell , which means those damn priests would have to attempt 96 times in theory to diepell your seal.

    Thanks for Contributing and lets keep thisa goin

    Dave
    Leluminaire 70 Paladin - Blackrock

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    I'd go for something more like this i think

    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...13533100231351

    That is with mostly pvp in mind, as i don't choose Fanaticism for threat reduction.

    But as the whole playstyle of palas will change in wotlk i'm not sure how good the different specs will be, but as we lose Sanctity aura, i'm gonna go for the imp ret aura talents atleast.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Yeah i thought that about Fanatcism as well. but then I got to thinking with the talents I have chosen there is + 57% crit chance on judgements.

    take it on average with good gear (and escalation in wotlk) ud prob be looking at 40-42% crit chance on gear

    so technichally (please prove me wrong here) I am looking at 97-99% chance to crit on a judgement. Now with AP = 30% of SP thats a shit load of constant damage

    plus also have 9% reduced damage and (20% dps for eye for an eye if your critted)

    PLEASE KEEP THESE POSTS COMING WE NEED SOME PVE BUILDS

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    For PvE I'm thinking:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    Toss up on the last talent point for 2/2 Vindication for soloing or 2/2 Imp Ret Aura...

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Quote Originally Posted by bowey
    Ok Ladies and Gents (probably mostly Gents)

    Lets get some decent Ret Builds down , this stuff has been going spiradically through other sites/posts.

    We need to keep updating best builds so when Wotlk comes live I dont hear Retlol thrown around.

    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents2.html?tal=000000000000000000000000005132013000300000000000000005023025122003131321 05201351

    is my choice for PVP/Arena and easy PVE conversion. Check it out and let me know what you think.

    ** notice Sanctified Seals @ 2/3 (66%) yes minus 1% Crit , but coupled with stoicism = 96% chance to not dispell , which means those damn priests would have to attempt 96 times in theory to diepell your seal.

    Thanks for Contributing and lets keep thisa goin

    Dave
    Leluminaire 70 Paladin - Blackrock
    Only flaw is your 96 times stuff, that's not how percentages work.

    It means the priest if he casts 100 dispels, will dispel your seal 4 times, which means, once every 25 times he will dispel your seal, HOWEVER, that doesn't affect the other things he's going to be dispelling with those dispels. HOWEVER, because your seal is not immune to dispels, it means that the dispel mechanic will attempt to target that seal, making it more viable than being 100% immune, if all you're worried about is dispels.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...13533105231051
    This would be my pure raiding build

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Lolret came cuz the class is a lol.

    Sometimes u spike dps and pull aggro and most of time u lack it.

    Ret is not rdy yet (beta) and prob not going to rock in arenas with this talents, most of the Ret build is PvE wise.

    They just fixed what they didn't in BC.

    PvP mechanic is simple, ranged try to stay away, melee try to stay close. We still lacking charge/intercetp/shadowstep.

    Still no decent pvp CC. Just a decent PvE CC.

    CS keep his bullshit job, just a pve wise talent with decent WHITE dmg. Cuz ur normal hits have the same effect on a target than a CS, unless u r running a more then 1 pally arena.

    Last talent in the tree looks awesome, but its a 8y range. This one can bring some pvp action to pally but i'm not sure about this range. In PvE looks like a "don't break the CC moron".

    The Art of War was a nice PvE -> PvP conversion.

    Finally, my 2 cents:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000 PVP

    Switch Bless of Kings <-> Sanctified Retribution. Looks pretty good, unless u get snared, stun locked or CC'd. Thats why u need Bless of Freedom always rdy to go, now with stun remove FTW.

    AND Imp Bless of Might looks pretty cool, 50% of ur AP. Don't forget ur maximizing ur SD TOO!

    My probable 70 go go go rush:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    Assuming u want to party, bring some party wise talents so ppl start looking for Rets for PvE.

    PvE lvl 80:

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    SotComm for some Prince Events, u can move it around.

    Of course if Rets are going to pussy Offhealz its another history and builds. Just don't try to Offtank, we have enough peeps to do it, and prot tree looks awesome.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Quote Originally Posted by malkaviano
    Lolret came cuz the class is a lol.

    Sometimes u spike dps and pull aggro and most of time u lack it.
    I'm pretty sure a good retribution paladin can do good damage overall with right synergy, so you need to cut out the lolret stuff.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    I'm going with this. 1point left so you can put it where ever you like.

    Vindication question: Does it work on bosses in wotlk now because i am seeing a lot of pve builds with it or are you guys getting it for pvp?

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    this is my leveling build.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000
    I went with pursuit of justice because I don't like to constantly switch auras.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    This is my personal build.
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

    This is a raiding specific build, as such I took all talents that would increase my utility, personal damage and or efficiency.
    I had 6 talent points left when I finished and I put 2 into pursuit of justice, cause from experience I know where are certain boss fights that require a lot of moving around, 2 more into improved retribution aura, since this is now the main ret aura it might as well be improved, and it helps the tank by giving him some extra threat, finally guardian's favor is for those rare bosses that require you to put freedom on the tanks or to save mages/warlocks with hand of protection when they overaggro.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Ok but if your trying to boost your overall utility, would you take kings then? Especially for 5-10 mans there might not be a holy pally in the group, plus also Holy Pallys will be speccing Holy/Ret instead ??

    Please prove me wrong if I am..

    No-one has put there 2 cents worth in about Ret pallys main source of (consistant) DPS being jusgements...


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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Why benediction in these builds? Mana wont be a problem so to say in wotlk. Kings will most likely be better as bowey said, I'm sure a good chunk of holy pallies will spec conviction for the other 5% crit and other stuff.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Well so far in my raiding experience there is always at least 1 more paladin that can buff kings, and I'm betting that it will stay the same in WoTLK, even though most paladins will probably go into ret a bit for Conviction, there could still be a prot paladin that has it.
    As for benediction, my philosophy is that you can never have too much mana efficiency, besides the more mana efficient seals and judgments are the easier it is for me to stick divine storm or consecrate into a DPS rotation.
    I haven't gotten into the beta yet, when I do or when WoTLK launches I'll tweak it here if needed.

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Quote Originally Posted by Samiel
    Only flaw is your 96 times stuff, that's not how percentages work.

    It means the priest if he casts 100 dispels, will dispel your seal 4 times, which means, once every 25 times he will dispel your seal, HOWEVER, that doesn't affect the other things he's going to be dispelling with those dispels. HOWEVER, because your seal is not immune to dispels, it means that the dispel mechanic will attempt to target that seal, making it more viable than being 100% immune, if all you're worried about is dispels.
    With the 2.4.3. the dispel mechanic changed: those spells that were 100% immune from dispels effects will not be targeted by the dispel. This means that if you have 3/3 Sanctified Seals the Seals won't be targetted, making your buffs more vulnerable.
    That 96% is really good with the new patch in live servers, because your seals with 96% dispel resist will cover your buffs and wings.

    Btw i think this is a good PvP build:
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Thanks for the positive feedback on the 96% thing, i read it in another forum about the live build so I can't take the credit for it (sorry whoever actually came up with the idea)

    Question IMP RET AURA ... why?

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    I think this is the best ret build
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000
    Art of War sux u cant spend 3 points in a another defensive talent.
    The ret pala will need max burst dmg and cc in wotlk and no stun remove every 20 sec.
    Stoicism is already a talent to reduce the time we are stunned.

    This is a max dmg and cc build.

    Also u need 5 points in Fanaticsm 4 the best possible mana reg and Vengeance

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickyo
    I think this is the best ret build
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/talent/?...00000000000000
    Art of War sux u cant spend 3 points in a another defensive talent.
    The ret pala will need max burst dmg and cc in wotlk and no stun remove every 20 sec.
    Stoicism is already a talent to reduce the time we are stunned.

    This is a max dmg and cc build.

    Dude ... Prot is perfect IMO , but your ret part? you talking PVE or PVP?

    Cause for PVP take 2/2 PoJ and 2/2 E4E & have 2/2 Vindication

    They have all had big buffs

    Glad to see PVPers are jumping on the fantacism Train .... 100% crit rate on judgements FTW

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    Re: Best RET Wotlk talent builds

    PvP


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