Talents...

[Smartie]

Given they want us to be more cat or more bear there are too many talents which combine both.. for example the following:

Feral Instinct - Rank 3/3
Increases the damage done by your Swipe (Bear) ability by 15% and reduces the chance enemies have to detect you while Prowling.

Feral Aggression - Rank 5/5
Increases the attack power reduction of your Demoralizing Roar by 40% and the damage caused by your Ferocious Bite by 15%..

Things like this should be split up into distinct cat talents and bear talents. At the moment there are too many talents which combine both specs making it very hard to pick up Master Shapeshifter and all the decent dps talents and utilities. So instead of having to spend 7 talents points to get 50% use of two talents, you spend 3 or 4 talent points and get 100% use of one talent! If you want to be a bit of both then it's no change from what it is now.

Just my thoughts...

[Karpalo]

kinda true. they should combine bear part and cat part of those in one talent instead of mixing

[Tygroen]

Meh, I think this is coming from someone who whines when he has to tank, because he feels he should be able to dps 100% of the time. If you are looking for that, rogues are down the hall and to your right. Druids are the ultimate offtanks in the sense that we can tank with success even after you've been dpsing. One little move a cat does after something bad has happened in a raid, could determine a save or a wipe. So, because we cannot have parry, block, avoid crushings, etc, they gave us (and now DK's) the ability to switch simultaneously, the purpose I think of a hybrid class..

Also, Feral Aggression is a worthless talent for bear AND cat.

[Smartie]

I have saved many a wipe from changing into a bear after the tank has died.. with the usuall shout of "OVER HEAL IN DPS GEAR" on vent! Much fun.

The suggestion I made makes no change if you want to spec for off tank, but to spec to be more dps or more tank it will help alot.

Also given the changes to Ferocious Bite it may well become more useful, but this is to be seen.

[xano880]

so , currently you can pretty much spec easily for both roles (Tank and DPS, i know dps aint that woooooooow but its pretty good !) and you want to make it harder ? mate just go with what you've got, you can easily play the 2 roles atm and be good at both ,why make it harder and just play 1 role ?

[Smartie]

you can easily play the 2 roles atm and be good at both

Currently you can, but in WTLK it will be alot harder to given how bloated the tree is.

If you want to be off tank, "okay" at both then you'd just pick up both talents. But they have given us the option to specialise in one so its better then the other, but alot of the talents are both bear and cat talents, making it very hard to actually do that. If you do want to be better at tanking you have to put points in a lot of talents which are for cats, and vice versa.

I still hope to be an off-tank but I would like to specialise in dps.

If you want to do a little tanking and dps, you probably won't be as optimal at either, though you'll probably always be better at switching between the two than other classes. In order to be as good at tanking as the other classes, you might have to give up a few talents that maximize your dps, and vice versa. This is a good thing -- it lets you choose to actually be a main tank.

The current talents make it very hard to do what they want us to!

[Furo]

If you want only pure DPS and pure Tank Talents I would suggest the following Talents:

51 Point Tank Talent: Warrior Form, turns you into a Warrior.
51 Point DPS Talent: Rogue Form, turns you into a Rogue.

I think you get my point.

[blahblahnameblah]

Also, Feral Aggression is a worthless talent for bear AND cat.

So true.

[Smartie]

If you want only pure DPS and pure Tank Talents I would suggest the following Talents:

51 Point Tank Talent: Warrior Form, turns you into a Warrior.
51 Point DPS Talent: Rogue Form, turns you into a Rogue.

I think you get my point.

I would love to be both, but what you are missing is that we cannot be as we are in BC when the WTLK comes out! We have to choose, my current build has all the PVE cat and bear abilities, this is not something we will be able to do. So please read what the blues have posted.. WE CANNOT GET ALL BEAR AND CAT TALENTS AS WE DO NOW!

I do not want to be a rogue or warrior, I like being a feral druid!

[Brailiem]

They want the end tier talents to be what seperates us from bears and cats, not make feral into two seperate trees. Something deep in the tree, heavy talent.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...00&pageNo=4#63 source,

quote, some poster,

Q u o t e:
My suggestion would be to offer a near end of tree heavy 5 point talent that would be chosen for flavor that would define the spec. To split the rest of the tree into cat/bear seems a waste now, and the class as a whole should still play very fluidly between the two, just with that 'something extra' at the end. Those flavor talents would be a reason also why a raid would 'pick bear' or 'pick cat'.

Blue reply;

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.

[Eleena]

I would love to be both, but what you are missing is that we cannot be as we are in BC when the WTLK comes out! We have to choose, my current build has all the PVE cat and bear abilities, this is not something we will be able to do. So please read what the blues have posted.. WE CANNOT GET ALL BEAR AND CAT TALENTS AS WE DO NOW!

I do not want to be a rogue or warrior, I like being a feral druid!

Isn't the intention to keep you a feral druid? so far I understood, the intended difference is:

do you spec to be maintank (you need all bear talents, and very few cat talents.)
or do you spec to be offtank (a few bear talents, mostly cat talents.)

Makes sense too, cuz if you are a maintank, you're not going to really be dpsing at any time, but as a offtank, you can offtank boss hits, and trash, and then go all out on bosses in cat.

Blizzard already stated that they want to to be possible to have a bear maintank(and prot pala too), as long as they focused on it.

Also just for the notice I'm not saying that this is how it is now, but this is what they seem to want ferals to be, and personally I like that thought. So why not just focus on giving feedback on how to achieve that rather then complain about not being able to get all talents?

[Smartie]

So why not just focus on giving feedback on how to achieve that rather then complain about not being able to get all talents?

My feedback on how to achieve that is to re-arrange talents so they are defined as more bear or more kitty talents.

[Dendrek]

Whether or not people here agree that the feral talents need to be divided up any more than Blizzard already plans to make them, those of you complaining about Smartie's mention that feral druids will have to choose between being more cat or more bear need to realize that's what Blizzard has planned.

The main premise is that those who choose to be more of a bear-tank should be given access to talents that make them stronger tanks than they are in BC (where most usually ended up as off-tanks), whereas those who choose to be more of a cat-dps will be able to do much better dps (almost, though not quite as good as a rogue), still maintaining the ability to OT where necessary.

Which would you rather be, a mediocre dps/tank, being fully hybrid and able to do both but not being able to do either very well (when compared to other dps or other tanks)? Or would you rather have the ability to be very good at one, thus being able to actually perform well as that spec, while being versitile enough to perform in the other role where needed?

However, Smartie, I don't agree that the tree needs to be split in half, or as close to "in half" as you seem to be suggesting. In order to keep their hybrid appeal, feral druids need to be able to perform as both dps and tank if properly spec'd and geared, which requires they have access to talents for both cat and bear form.

/fodderforthetrolls