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    Level 80 prot spec

    as of beta patch 8885

    Im thinking http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10212155312321 is looking like my best bet for a talent spec at level 80 although im not liking the lack of points in 1hand talent spec.
    please post your thoughts and opinions

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    myself i would move either divine strenght or guarded by the light+judgement of the lust to seals of the pure. which one i would choose depends on if there's a warrior with imp TC in the raid or not
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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by friggo
    myself i would move either divine strenght or guarded by the light+judgement of the lust to seals of the pure. which one i would choose depends on if there's a warrior with imp TC in the raid or not
    thats another one of those talents that im considering taking... along with PoJ (low priority) and Spell Warding (in my level 70 spec)

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Idealy threat generation wise, I'd go for this spec at 80 for my tankadin.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...11252155312321

    Yes I'd loose 5% parry which is a big hit, however my threat will increase dramatically. Plus I gain Spell Ward thats a further 4% spell damage mitigated. With the changes to Blessing of Sanctuary that mitigation is also increased by 3%. So in total I'd have 9% phyiscal and 13% magic mitigation. LOL, that definitely closes the gap between paladin and warrior pure outright mitigation[unless you're nice enough to bless the warriror with it].

    The need for the extra parry isnt so great IMO come wotlk with the change to crushing blows. Thats what I've based my spec for lvl 80 on.

    edited:grammar

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10212155312301

    This is how I would do it.

    Divine Strength is pointless since tankadins rely on spells to do threat, not strength. Strength also increases amount of damage blocked, but it's insignificantly low on tankadins.

    Seals of the pure is used instead to build additional threat. And the increase in dps is also always appreciated.

    BoK is there because people will whine about it if you don't have it. You'll use BoS on yourself anyway.

    Pursuit of Justice helps to close the gap if a boss or mob has knockback and throws you a mile away.
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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by GayGirlie
    Divine Strength is pointless since tankadins rely on spells to do threat, not strength. Strength also increases amount of damage blocked, but it's insignificantly low on tankadins.
    Then you obviously haven't read the Tankadin changes.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    I myself am leaning towards something like this:

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10202155312301

    It's hard to fit in everything you want (I want Pursuit of Justice, dammit!) but overall I think this is what suits me best. Obviously other people will find other tweaks so it suits them. I left out imp blessing of might, because I'm focused on raiding, and am hoping the ret pala will get that talent, and left out the imp dev aura, as it doesn't stack with the Druids Tree aura (although I am still debating moving points from seals of the pure to it for the extra armour bonus).

    My two cents anyway

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Agrus
    I myself am leaning towards something like this:

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10202155312301

    It's hard to fit in everything you want (I want Pursuit of Justice, dammit!) but overall I think this is what suits me best. Obviously other people will find other tweaks so it suits them. I left out imp blessing of might, because I'm focused on raiding, and am hoping the ret pala will get that talent, and left out the imp dev aura, as it doesn't stack with the Druids Tree aura (although I am still debating moving points from seals of the pure to it for the extra armour bonus).

    My two cents anyway

    im liking what youve done here... just feels really wrong to deny myself a great talent like Judgments of the Just. Almost heart breaking what blizzard has done, making us have to choose a few talents over others and stop everyone becoming a cookie cutter spec. Its a good thing i guess but i feel like the kid who cant choose between candy and chocolate, ultimately never happy with either because of what he left behind.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...15202155312301

    This seems like a really good tankadin spec in WOTLK.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...11252155312321

    heres mine, trying to get the best balance of threat/mitigation talents. leaning slightly more towards mitigation. i dont really like wasting 5 points on Seals of the Pure, our holy spell dmg threat is nerfed, so STR is def the way to go i think.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Warcraft
    Here you go, the perfect Protection build.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...15250155312301

    You don't need block overkill and you don't need things that other raids members will provide for you anyway. If you wanted to you could also sneak a point into Seal of Command since 4/5 Reckoning has over 90% the uptime of 5/5 Reckoning.
    To be honest, I wouldn't use this. Block is the paladin's main form of damage avoidance until you get up into higher end raids where you'll be swapping it for dodge or parry. Pursuit of Justice is nice, but more often then not you will be moving with the group or standing still due to the nature of consecrate. I've never been a fan of reckoning either, as it seems a contradiction of ideals. We strive to get hit, but when we do we get a chance of getting a bonus. And the one handed weapon specialisation seems like it could be better spent in seals of the pure (although I have no figures to back that up, and thinking about it, I would love to see those figures).

    So, for me, it isn't the perfect build.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    First, I'd like to remind everyone (since there were a few people that seem to have missed it) about the changes made to pallys in WotLK. This isn't meant to be sarcastic or harsh; I just want to make sure we're all as informed as we need to be when getting ready to tank.

    First, pretty much everything in the paladin's arsenal scales with both AP and Spell Power now; the only spells that don't are the healing spells. Seal of Righteousness, for instance, gets 5% of your AP and 10% of your SP (taken from MMO's description). Keep in mind, though, that 2 AP for every point of strength, and there is a lot of strength on the new tanking gear. My pally gave up the Justicar Shoulderguards for the blue quest reward tanking shoulders from a Nexus quest with strenght instead of spell power, and my seal of righteousness damage went *up*.

    Second, remember that strength's contribution to block value has been dramatically increased; 2 STR = 1 BV.

    As such... I would run with something like the following:
    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...15250155312301
    There are talents I would love to have that aren't in that build, but there just aren't enough points. The first thing I would probably look to give up, if I needed to, is Judgments of the Just. Shield Spec may not be as useful in some raid situations, but now that it increases block value directly it scales with strength, which in turn scales with Divine Strength. Running the numbers...

    X = strength before talents. Thus, 1.15X is our strength with the Divine Strength talent. We get half that as block value, so our bonus block value from strength baseline is 0.575X. Increase that by 30% for shield spec, and we have 0.7475X for the contribution of strength to block value... just shy of 75%. In short, if we have both Divine Strength and Shield Spec, we essentially get 3 BV for every 4 STR. Combine that with the extra threat from the AP we get from STR, and the extra threat form Shield of the Righteousness which scales directly based on BV, and I'm not really willing to pass any of those talents up.

    I do miss Seals of the Pure, but there just aren't enough points for everything

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    As much as i'd like Seals of the Pure... it requires too much to be sacrificed imo.

    but here is what I am going to get at lvl 80:
    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10252155312321

    my reasoning:

    Kings, Divine Guardian and Imp Devotion can be taken by HOLY. Divine Shield as we know is uselsss for tanking and drops aggro, so there's no reason in using 2 pts for Divine Guardian. Imp Devotion DOES NOT stack with Tree of Life buff from druids, and the armor increase is not enough to warrant 3 points.

    I still see some of you taking Reckoning. even though it is a good tool for leveling, once you have the High mitigation gear you're not getting hit that much to warrant 5 points.


    the only change I would make:
    since Judgements of the Just only works on the 1 target you are judging I could change those 2 pts and put them in Pursuit of justice since having no "charge" or "intercept" ability makes it hard for us to catch up to mobs

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    It seems many people think reckoning is a good prot talent. I have to disagree on that, though. The more avoidance you get the less often it procs. Ie. the better gear you have the worse reckoning actually gets.
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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumidar
    the only change I would make:
    since Judgements of the Just only works on the 1 target you are judging I could change those 2 pts and put them in Pursuit of justice since having no "charge" or "intercept" ability makes it hard for us to catch up to mobs
    I don't think Judgements of the Just works on bosses, though, so it is rendered kind of useless. To be of use against trash you'll have to keep spamming it on every mob you're tanking or if you're using it only against one mob then it loses a whole lot of it's usefulness. Imho it's meant for pvp, not pve.
    - Hand: n., A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody's pocket. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    hmm. well imo reckoning is a ok talent for alot of aoe pulls. for mostly singel target mobs then skip the talent. Since we need the avoidence and block. but in aoe pulls u allways get some miniature hits, and that will trigger it. have tried it out and its a nice way to go. but as a raiding pally i think Reckoning is a nice talent. since u wont be doing MT that much. u will ot and aoe tank. Here´s my suggenstion.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...14252105312301


    For mt just swap Reckoning with Ardent Defender.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Doesnt thunder clap work on bosses? Judgements of the Just should also. I would definitely pick it up.

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimar
    hmm. well imo reckoning is a ok talent for alot of aoe pulls. for mostly singel target mobs then skip the talent. Since we need the avoidence and block. but in aoe pulls u allways get some miniature hits, and that will trigger it. have tried it out and its a nice way to go. but as a raiding pally i think Reckoning is a nice talent. since u wont be doing MT that much. u will ot and aoe tank. Here´s my suggenstion.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...14252105312301


    For mt just swap Reckoning with Ardent Defender.
    Im not sure about dropping ardent defender, definitely not for reckoning, reckoning blows for raiding pallies, its proc chance on single target is horrible, and on aoe pulls, what good it extra threat on one mob? worthless talent if you plan on being a MT. with the addition of the pally "shield wall" i might try dropping it for other threat abilities.

    maybe pick up conviction, or seals of the pure

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Zimar
    hmm. well imo reckoning is a ok talent for alot of aoe pulls.
    Seals of the just probably does just as much damage if not more, and it is always on, doesn't rely on proccing. So, I'd much rather choose seals of the just over reckoning. It works in both aoe and single target tanking.
    - Hand: n., A singular instrument worn at the end of the human arm and commonly thrust into somebody's pocket. - Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary

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    Re: Level 80 prot spec

    Fools, http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...10251155312301
    this will be the spec for end game raiding.
    I highly doubt Judgments of the Justs will stack with imp thunderclap.
    Reckoning is garbage when you stack avoidance for raid bosses.
    Skipped imp judgment as there are plenty new skills to add in your rotation, I don't think you'll benefit much from 2 sec reduction.
    You can rely Blessing of Kings from holy pallies.
    Kind of iffy to spend 8 points to get max shield specialization but now it's worth it as we get a skill that uses block value.

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