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  1. #1

    obsolete talents for ret pvp

    crusader and imp 2h in ret take 6 points total for 12% damage (may be more than this due to additive v multiplicitive). its a talent intensive build, so why would anyone take righteous vengeance for 5 points when 5 points way earlier in the tree will net 10% total damage increase (even buffs judge damage by 3% due to 30% mw).

    considering i also want to ditch 18 points into prot for 30 second stun, why would i ever get some of the high end ret talents, mostly fanaticism and righteous vengeance. i exclude swift ret for its mainly pve focus.

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  2. #2

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Because they still rock?!

    Especially with the Nerf to Seals and their judgements, the additional 25% damage when criting would be very nice.
    "My rage bar is blue, and I start the fight pissed!" - Battlecry of the Ret Paladin.
    "The best defense is a good offense." - Motto of the Ret Paladin.
    River Below - Billy Talent - Theme Song of the Ret Paladin.

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  3. #3

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    with my gear the 10% would be about 100 a swing and 3% on the judge would be around 43 dmg

    versus the 25% extra crit (notice this is 25% of the base not 25% of final product) on a crit on a stunned target itd do about 375 extra. this is a lot of reqs and a lot of talentpoints for an extra 299 dmg on a crit on a stunned target. so in a regular fight thisd be 400 dmg, repent and stun, excluding trinkets. instead of TEN PERCENT damage all the time. white damage, soco procs, crus strike, whirlwind hits.

    i just dont see the point of taking them in such a high cost tree.

    did math wrong a bit.. didn't add 75 to the 300. whoops

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  4. #4

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    12% Static damage vs +45% potential damage on Judgements / Divine Storm?
    "My rage bar is blue, and I start the fight pissed!" - Battlecry of the Ret Paladin.
    "The best defense is a good offense." - Motto of the Ret Paladin.
    River Below - Billy Talent - Theme Song of the Ret Paladin.

    DK Death Strike Tanking
    The Power of Avoidance! - DK Tank Required Reading
    DK AP Coefficients
    DK Threat Values

    Aurich von Deathstrike

  5. #5

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    i'm not quite sure where you got 45, its 25 of base on a crit. implying 12.5% extra damage on a crit. thats all

    because its 25% extra on the 100% damage bonus of a crit. not on the base.

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...00000000000000

    assume base crit is already 34%

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  6. #6

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Mysmere,

    The latest Art of War offers another +20% increase. Thus 20% + 25% (RV) = 45%?


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  7. #7

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    the reason the new art of war is good is because of its utility. not its damage. also it's 2 points. like i said, point starved. so it's still 25% loss. making it 12.5% of base. 10% from the other talents = 2.5% gained on a crit.

    so .025xcrit% is the dps gained on divine. it's a little less bleak for judges.

    now tell me how thats better than moving the points lower in the tree.
    something needs to be changed.

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  8. #8

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    I don't follow Mysmere.


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  9. #9

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Quote Originally Posted by Rawberry
    I don't follow Mysmere.
    /Agreed. But I'm interested lol.

  10. #10

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    i think he is blowing smoke

  11. #11

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    divine ret gives +25% crit bonus. this means base 100 +100(regular crit bonus)+25(from ret) =225% crit. if say, 12.5% was added to base damage instead, you'd have the equivalent becase itd be. 112.5%*100% or 225% total. so the 5 points moved lower that give base damage would give 110% total damage *2 on a crit for 220%. this is a 5% gain from using divine ret instead of the earlier points but only a 2.5% change on base. considering this requires a crit as well............ and that the 10% is for everything

    oh also, crusade gives the 6% to all judges as well. forgot about that

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  12. #12

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    does no one else see the problem with these talents?

    I felt like putting a bullet between the eyes of every Panda that wouldn't screw to save its species
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Illidan&n=Sinders

  13. #13

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysmere
    does no one else see the problem with these talents?
    The only problem I see is what you had with your math teacher :

  14. #14

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Personally, I hate Seal of Command. Chance on hit is generally just boring as hell. I'd rather see a Hand ability that gave something like Reckoning for a short period of time. Hell, anything that increases our damage, which Seal of Command doesn't, and is fun to use.

    I think it's high time that Blizz stopped trying to make us one of the easier classes to play and realised they're boring the hell out of us.

  15. #15

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Quote Originally Posted by Moar Pew Pew
    Personally, I hate Seal of Command. Chance on hit is generally just boring ass hell. I'd rather see a Hand ability that gave something like Reckoning for a short period of time. Hell, anything that increases our damage, which Seal of Command doesn't, and is fun to use.
    well... all seals have been nerfed exept SoComm.
    + an other 15% damage when crit on a stunned target make it even more powerfull
    Nerf 5 VS 1!!

  16. #16

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Seal of Command (Tier 3) damage reduced. (Check talent list for details)

  17. #17

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilliana
    Seal of Command (Tier 3) damage reduced. (Check talent list for details)
    You beat me to it lol.

  18. #18

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    :0 i just dont like when ppl dont read all the notes

  19. #19

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    Anyway, damage aside for now, we really need more interesting abilities and damage dealing mechanics. Chance on hit to do a billion damage is more interesting when making a sandwich than watching the numbers fly.

    Am I exaggerating? Greatly, but we should at least have something more interesting than Seal of Command.

  20. #20

    Re: obsolete talents for ret pvp

    they could atleat increase the base% to hit so it isnt completely SoCasino


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