I am wishing for a single target taunt for the 11 point talent
and make RF = Defensive stance
and not Purgeable.Originally Posted by burningcacti
p.s. blue post:
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
im gonna take a wild guess and say the only one doing it is the feral druid.Originally Posted by Lumidar
3 tp no need for defense.....lol
Beauty now spawns with only two pups in Heroic difficulty. Not to worry though, the missing pup has been adopted by a wonderful, if not insane family.
I'm glad that Blizzard cares about the little things...
Originally Posted by burningcacti
ouch
If you guys were in the beta, you'd realize you have nothing to worry about.
I play a Protadin in live and I'm in the process of clearing Naxx for real tank gear in the beta premades.
I think my only concern is that we lack any kind of cooldown for extra mitigation, no last stand, no shield wall, nothing, it makes me sad.
That said, we're doing insane dps right now.. which will be nerfed no question, but it's fun while it lasts.
Don't even bother with a caster weapon, it's just not worth it unless you find a caster weapon with Str, Stam, High damage, and spell power.
Now that would be a Wotlk prot pally weapon.
what are your stats right now? with your current gear?Originally Posted by Slizarus
Slizarus, doesn't Devine protection now work like a shield wall?
50% Mitigation for 12 seconds on a 5 minute cooldown
that would be amazing if they changed the mechanics of it to work like that, i would have to change my spec to include that dmg redirect
swapping weapons causes global cooldown, thus slowing your rotation and hurting your threat more than just using a tank/dps weapon. spell damage weapons are out the door with LK. the sooner you open your mode of thinking to the possibility, the sooner you will be enjoying your tanking. consecration is something that is only used with there are more than 4 mobs anymore. HotR and ShoR and Judge take care of at least 4 mobs without worrying about people getting even half of the threat you pump out. embrace the change, let the pansy spell damage weapon go, and be a friggin tank.
that 50% damage reduction is not for Divine Shield wich (with talents) redirects damage to you while you're immune.Originally Posted by takainig
It's for Divine Protection, the older version of your DS wich you got loooong ago
I've heard nothing but good things from peeps on PTR, even ran a pug BT with a prot pally MT who did excellent. Maybe you are just so used to your style of tanking and that you are having a hard time adjusting. He seemed to have the changes down and did excellent, perfectly viable MT.Originally Posted by Lumidar
I wonder if the 11 pointer will be something to specifically buff HoJ, SoJ, JoJ, or if it will be our new single target taunt ability.Originally Posted by Lumidar
In any event, you said you had trouble raid-tanking due to mitigation, were you using an offensive seal? You were probably Judging Light, if your threat was high enough, had you considered using Light as your Seal as well? The healing provided is nothing to scoff at, with Reckoning, HotR, and your Auto-Attack swings. If your threat without a Holy Damage seal is high enough, it might be worth looking into so that even though your mitigation and stamina are lower than other tank's, you're providing enough self-healing to compensate.
I dont think it's a guarantee, I'm Ret, after all, and haven't tanked anything past heroics, but something worth trying, I know that with Divine Storm/CS and AA, the healing provided with SoL/JoL can be pretty impressive, I can only imagine that using a 1-handed weapon with Reckoning going, it'd be sooooo much worse.
I was not refereing to Threat generation as it is now Out the roof and have no problems with it. My problems are with Un-Crittability only. it is possible on hard hitting bosses, such as Supremus' hateful strikes, that you can get Crit and instantly die. And it's also true that healing was also buffed so a smaller crit might go by un-noticed, but it is still there.Originally Posted by meroko
a seal of light proc will not save my life after being crit... sure it might help if its a small crit and I didn't die but the healers also got buffed and that won't be an issue. my choice of seals have nothing to do with it.Originally Posted by PalliesThrowStuff
I don't know, my pally in ZA/kara/badge gear is uncritable even with all sta gems. (yes on PTR) I've enver even had the defense talent.
how can you have 490 defense in kara/badge/ZA gear. Are you using Def trinkets, or Stam trinkets? (and i mean on PTR of course)
If you can be crit you shouldn't be in BT. Or any other raid for that matter. The loss of the defense on the anticipation talent will hurt a lot of pre t6 geared warriors and pallies, but there is plenty of other options to make up for the loss in defense. Reenchanting, regemming, using older def gear that may be banked, using a tanking sword, buying badge gear with higher def. The loss of some stamina will hurt, but not drastically.Originally Posted by Lumidar
You do realize that if you get enough blocking+parry+dodge+(their normal miss chance) you will push CRITS out of the hit table (just as you are used to push CRUSH out of the hit table in tBC).Originally Posted by Lumidar
Paladins are the only tank that can push crits out of the table like this in a controled manner, since we can have blocking up 24/7...
edit: Yes, without getting 490 defense (or any defense at all really).