WotLK Beta - Build 8962

[Nathanyel]

not sure if I totally like that 10% threat drop from intervene. This means you will never be able to use it on the main tank anymore.

Which is sad, but maybe intended.

Also, I can imagine the threat drop only works when the target actually has aggro, else the warrior (possibly in a MT position) would need to spam this on the currently highest Damagedealer, which could cause problems on fights which require positioning of the mob/boss.

[bbr]

Still getting it as one of the first and show it around before anyone else gets it is just cool .

Yep, I still get daily "wtf is that mount" whispers.
It does get bothersome though.

[Sarevokcz]

AQ Mounts don't count, and you are all forgetting this achievement is meant for WotLK, where there will be lots of new mounts!

and its balanced around taurens = taurens will have it hard, all other will just buy 15-20 more faction mounts and get their flying white rat alot easier

[Rilgon]

Fury of the Five Flights (lvl 80): 16 AP stacking 20 times (lasts 10sec), a "whopping" 320 AP at max stacks and no passive stats.
Blackened Naaru Sliver (lvl 70): 44AP stacking 10 times (lasts 20sec), 440 AP at max stacks and 54 passive haste rating.

What gives?

The Battle Trance of the Blackened Naaru Sliver does not always happen. The wording of Fury of the Five Fights sounds as if the second you start punching/chopping/stabbing/shooting a target, you start accumulating AP/RAP, very much like the Darkmoon Card: Crusade.

[Noobcoil]

WOHO! INSTANT SOULFIRE!!!!!

[kittynipples]

Which is sad, but maybe intended.

Also, I can imagine the threat drop only works when the target actually has aggro, else the warrior (possibly in a MT position) would need to spam this on the currently highest Damagedealer, which could cause problems on fights which require positioning of the mob/boss.

Actually, I see this as making OT warriors a spamable threat dump for high threat dps classes. Still don't know if that utility is worth losing the benefit of being able to help keep the MT alive.

[Omnigma]

Didn't see it in the change list, but according to the talent calculator:

Improved Thunderclap increases damage done by Thunderclap by 10/20/30%. (Old - 40/70/100%)

Won't flip out until I test it, but it certainly seems like a firm kick in the junk to last build's AoE tanking ability.

[stupid11]

Destro tree of the warlock has received some nice buffs, which imo weren't necceary.

Their Shadow and Flame now also increases Chaos Bolt dps, that other talent making SOulfire instant cast and cost no mana/soulshard.

And yes, i am making here a comparison with mages, flame me for it if you want but looking at their new talents it's clear they are going to be similiar:

Emp Fireball: only increases fireball, not scorch-pyro-blast wave-DB-LB

Hot streak: our instant pyro does require mana

...

You're fucking retarded. Pyro =/= Chaos Bolt, which is the only spell S&F would affect at the same time as your main nuke. You don't use incinerate and shadowbolt with the same spec. Period.


Aldo: Holy shit is there anything mages DON'T QQ about? You're imba as hell in the Beta, and have been that way for a while. The last build before nerfed the snot out of EVER. SINGLE. CLASS. EXCEPT. MAGES. And you just got BUFFED in this one, AGAIN.

Ok? Stop fucking crying. To mages, every single warlock change happens in a vacuum, especially if it's a buff. All the nerfs are "justified" by the "OPness" or previous buffs of the Warlock class. Yet NONE of the buffs are justified by previous nerfs OR the reality of the situation?

Blizzard should just disallow posting privileges for all Mages on the Beta and Normal forums. Maybe then we could get a balanced game without hearing 300 pages of QQ.

[Ninthelora]

Chaotic Mind - Damage done by your Immolate has a 8% chance to cause your next Soul Fire spell to be instant cast, cost no mana and consume no soul shard. Lasts 8 sec.

ROFLMAO LOVELY ;d

[Antiseptic]

I was looking forward to WOTLK for resto shaman pvp.. Now, I am 100% sure we will be just as gimp as we are now... Since spirit link does not break CC... and our trinket being the only thing that can break it.. Say good bye to shamans in general... Also the nerfs to toughness and natures guardian.. It was sorta fun while it lasted bliz.. good bye everyone!

[Odoaker]

WOOOHOO finally they moved tactic mastery back in the arms tree! and improved thunderclap to def - how many post have been made demanding this change...great

[astrosyn]

Balance druid
Earth & moon effect is changed to 3/5/8/10/13% now, before it was 13% no matter how many points you put there

[thefalk]

oh well.. it was nice to have resto shammys effective in arena for.. what? 2weeks? that nerf will be the end of the chance my shammy could be my main come x-pac.

[Qiqel]

The last class to get its talent revised, in theory, would be the one to get balanced the best. In Blizzard's reality though, it's the one class that's going to have most of its new skills abandoned because of the release rush.

For the case of simple decency, they should at least rotate the classes between expansions. As is shamans are the last to get the review for the third time in a row and end up with the most uninspiring changes, lacking any new tricks and toys the other classes get. >.<

I'm at the point of deciding if I want to return to WoW or start with WAR... it's looking bleaker and bleaker for WoW. There's nothing attractive enough to make me jump in and I guess many other shamans feel similar.

[stupid11]

The last class to get its talent revised, in theory, would be the one to get balanced the best. In Blizzard's reality though, it's the one class that's going to have most of its new skills abandoned because of the release rush.

For the case of simple decency, they should at least rotate the classes between expansions. As is shamans are the last to get the review for the third time in a row and end up with the most uninspiring changes, lacking any new tricks and toys the other classes get. >.<

I'm at the point of deciding if I want to return to WoW or start with WAR... it's looking bleaker and bleaker for WoW. There's nothing attractive enough to make me jump in and I guess many other shamans feel similar.

You can always, you know, play a different fucking class if you hate it so much. It takes like 100 hours to hit 60, probably 120-150 to hit 70 once they nerf the exp required.

Blizzard doesn't restrict your account to only shaman characters. If you find the class boring, REROLL.

[Rilgon]

If you find the class boring, REROLL.

And if we find the other classes boring?

[Qiqel]

You can always, you know, play a different fucking class if you hate it so much. It takes like 100 hours to hit 60, probably 120-150 to hit 70 once they nerf the exp required.

Blizzard doesn't restrict your account to only shaman characters. If you find the class boring, REROLL.

Lol. Why to post at all if, first, you don't read and then post assumptions?

First of all, why should I reroll anything, If I don't play anymore? I'm commenting from the point of view of a former player who reads these boards to see if there's anything for Shaman, that would make it worth returning to WoW for.

I'd think I'd made it pretty clear in my OP.

[Phreeze]

dought? Doubt you mean probably.

There's ~ 150 mounts on wowhead, so it's quite close if you cut it in half. Should be possible certainly.

oops yeah sry ^^ foreign language and it was late

[Rhune]

Everything looking good. Unfortunate that Heroic leap was removed as it could ahve a been a cool talent.

Why in the world Blizzard would do this: "*New Talent* Heroic Fury (Tier 9) - Removes any Immobilization effects and refreshes the cooldown of your Intercept ability. (45 Sec Cooldown)" so far down in the fury tree leads me to believe that they want pvp fury warriors and they are not as interested in arms.

Also, "Titan's Grip now only reduces your chance to hit with damage-dealing abilities requiring a weapon. (Old - All melee abilities)," makes me think they want to keep our white damage while mitigating our clickable skills.

[stupid11]

And if we find the other classes boring?

So are Shamans boring or not? If Shaman is the only class you find interesting, why are you QQing about something that's interesting?

Lol. Why to post at all if, first, you don't read and then post assumptions?

First of all, why should I reroll anything, If I don't play anymore? I'm commenting from the point of view of a former player who reads these boards to see if there's anything for Shaman, that would make it worth returning to WoW for.

I'd think I'd made it pretty clear in my OP.

Because you're only QQing about Shamans. And your only QQ is that they're weak. What are they weak/boring compared to? Other classes. HMMMM... maybe you should try some of those other classes then?

You said it right there, the only class you care about are Shamans. Fucking retarded, why tie yourself to 1/10th of the game?