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  1. #21

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    i'[m not a BS myself, i'm a jc, but yea i did see that you guys didn't have alot of really good stuff. i meen there is like 1 chest piece, and some sholders and like 1 or 2 patterns that drop in hyjal, bt and sunwell but other than that yea you guys got shafted big time.

    i thought that bs's could add sockets to peoples armor, or was the jc i can never find out a legit source to tell me what profssion is going ot get to add sockets.

  2. #22

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    To those that think Blacksmiths should be able to repair their own armor because they are BS's...what about tailors? Or leather workers? You mean to tell me a tailor who spent hours upon hours collecting materials to craft his robe, boots etc has to go to a guy with a hammer to repair them? If they give it to Blacksmiths they'd have to give it to tailors and leather workers.....now how is that fair to everyone else who doesn't have one of these professions.

    Deal with it and go find a repair vendor. There's a reason the ability to repair often requires quests, or rep grinding...IE Kara. It adds more to the game.

    To the original point of this thread....welcome to the world of leather working. Other than making a few pieces of epic gear via a specialty or raiding every week to get drops, it pretty much has no other use. Nearly every crafting profession is broken in some way or another.
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  3. #23

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lexan
    i thought that bs's could add sockets to peoples armor, or was the jc i can never find out a legit source to tell me what profssion is going ot get to add sockets.
    Yup .. I'm sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread (or maybe it was another thread that was running at about the same time ... or maybe it was another thread in a warrior forum on some other site .. I forget).

    Blacksmiths can add sockets to their own bracers and gloves, the can add sockets to 1 handed weapons (not necessarily their own, although this is unclear) .. and they can make a belt buckle which acts as a belt enchant - but adds a socket to the belt, not a stat ... this belt buckle is a tradable item, much like the old leatherworking armour kits were (and are to a large extent)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cerus
    To those that think Blacksmiths should be able to repair their own armor because they are BS's...what about tailors? Or leather workers? You mean to tell me a tailor who spent hours upon hours collecting materials to craft his robe, boots etc has to go to a guy with a hammer to repair them? If they give it to Blacksmiths they'd have to give it to tailors and leather workers.....now how is that fair to everyone else who doesn't have one of these professions.

    Deal with it and go find a repair vendor. There's a reason the ability to repair often requires quests, or rep grinding...IE Kara. It adds more to the game.

    To the original point of this thread....welcome to the world of leather working. Other than making a few pieces of epic gear via a specialty or raiding every week to get drops, it pretty much has no other use. Nearly every crafting profession is broken in some way or another.
    Agreed ... crafting profs should be able to repair their own armour .... perhaps it could be limited to the specialist pieces a crafter makes for himself .. dunno.

    But to say the crafting profs are "Broken" is a little skewed ... I survive purely on my crafting profs, all my character's first epics (and the pinnacle of their gear) have been the craftable specialist items, from weapons for my warrior, to robes and stuff for my mage, to the tight-fitting leather my rogue wears .

    It may not be as beneficial from that perspective to a raider (even a casual one) ... but for someone who doesn't raid, the profs are worth it just for those BoP craftables.

  4. #24

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Moriroken
    Yup .. I'm sure it was mentioned earlier in this thread (or maybe it was another thread that was running at about the same time ... or maybe it was another thread in a warrior forum on some other site .. I forget).

    Blacksmiths can add sockets to their own bracers and gloves, the can add sockets to 1 handed weapons (not necessarily their own, although this is unclear) .. and they can make a belt buckle which acts as a belt enchant - but adds a socket to the belt, not a stat ... this belt buckle is a tradable item, much like the old leatherworking armour kits were (and are to a large extent)

    Agreed ... crafting profs should be able to repair their own armour .... perhaps it could be limited to the specialist pieces a crafter makes for himself .. dunno.

    But to say the crafting profs are "Broken" is a little skewed ... I survive purely on my crafting profs, all my character's first epics (and the pinnacle of their gear) have been the craftable specialist items, from weapons for my warrior, to robes and stuff for my mage, to the tight-fitting leather my rogue wears .

    It may not be as beneficial from that perspective to a raider (even a casual one) ... but for someone who doesn't raid, the profs are worth it just for those BoP craftables.
    Broken as in many of the craftable sets (aside from SW for Locks thats far better than even T5) weren't all that better than dungeon blues or Kara epics. And broken in the sense that other than a few items you could craft for yourself after hours and hours of farming, you can't make money off of them. Armor kits? The good ones take a lot of farming for materials and rep and up until the change to Nethers, was pretty pointless to even try.

    Generally the mats required to make something that actually sold, sold for far more than the crafted item so it's usually better to just sell the mats. That's what I mean by broken.
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  5. #25

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cerus
    Broken as in many of the craftable sets (aside from SW for Locks thats far better than even T5) weren't all that better than dungeon blues or Kara epics. And broken in the sense that other than a few items you could craft for yourself after hours and hours of farming, you can't make money off of them. Armor kits? The good ones take a lot of farming for materials and rep and up until the change to Nethers, was pretty pointless to even try.

    Generally the mats required to make something that actually sold, sold for far more than the crafted item so it's usually better to just sell the mats. That's what I mean by broken.
    Nah, I disagree ... the Leatherworking stuff, admittedly the worst of the bunch (and I'm referring to the Primalstrike set particularily .. .dunno about the other LW specialisations) were replaced with mid to late Kara level gear sure, but definitely not dungeon blues.

    But the tailoring sets were good up till T5 easily (and yeah, sometimes beyond). The T3 Blacksmith weapons were only really replaced in BT / MH (maybe, if you were a hunter, the 2h sword from Kael'Thas would be better). The engineering goggles were good till T5 and maybe even beyond as well.

    I would like to see this ... a crafted item which take 3, 4, maybe 5 months to craft (enforced with Transmute cooldowns, BoP mats, etc) ... but in return, you get a best of game item .... that keeps crafters on the same level as top raiders, while arguably putting in more work. So, simply because it's not possible to raid, doesn't mean you can't get access to the best gear.

    Admittedly, that would cause crafting professions to be a lot more attractive. However, as stated before, I don't raid at all ... so from that perspective, the craftable items are streets ahead of anything I could get my hands on otherwise, and I for one am satisfied with where they are at right now.

  6. #26

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    So, on my pally in tbc i got VERY disapointed at BS, ive crafted Stormherald to pewpew with to get better prot gear, AND THATS IT! i wasted 2k g maybe more to get one wep yea great? but now u can get merci for 0g and like lesser time also.

    great okay lets not whine about pvp now but. realy bs'ing is bullshit atleast now, the sockets HAD to be there else i would just throw it away right now. cuz ive never used it since for like 7months ago to create my stormherald, never x; and that realy sucks for an proffesion to be. on my mage however enchanting is atleast usefull for me instead of using 2days finding one plus ring enchants is better than nothing ateast i could use that on my pally. tailoring there u get 3 items which is better in PvE atleast than merciless and almost as good as t5 (depending on class/ w/e) so just there u see, also u cant make any money at all out of BS only rare crafting items which NONE wants anymore.

    That is a problem, and im thankfull for weapon sockets/meta sockets but rly it should be there atleast, i want to see mail items and alot new weps, also BoP healer weps maybe not just melee crap which is replaced anyway.

    Also i wanna say being a engineer/BS it have to be worth the money else i throw it out rly can be arsed to this shit :P.

  7. #27

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Blacksmithing is a terrible trade. Weapons cost too much to make. The craftable armor is very limitted in selection
    Definition of useless -

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  8. #28

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    As far as the craftable mail items are concerned....leatherworking. Obviously doesn't help those of you who are a BS...but if you really really want to make your own mail items....instead of QQ'in that BS'in is broken, go work on the trade skill that currently HAS mail items to be made. Just my 2 copper...

  9. #29

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by TerryBogard
    Blacksmithing is a terrible trade. Weapons cost too much to make. The craftable armor is very limitted in selection
    The only money I spent was 9 * 150g for 9 nether vortexes ... that got me a Bloodmoon and a Wicked Edge of the Planes ... ofc, if you intend buying ALL your mats to level from 1 - 375 and then make your weapons, then it's gonna be expensive, but then that's your choice.

    Oh, and I"ve probably made in excess of 3000g buying arcanite bars off the AH @ 10g a bar, making Arcanite rods, and reselling them for 90g ... easiest money 60g you'll ever make ... and they sell every time.

    Then again, it all depends on how you plan on playing your profession. If you really get down the the base of everything ... they all suck (every crafting profession) ... the only ones worth taking are gathering profs ... cos then you make money selling your stuff to the idiots who are stupidly levelling their crafting profs

  10. #30

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Flautze
    BS indeed got pimped. Most of the recipies I saw on wotlkwiki.com are BOE, even epic Shileds,Plate (OK no mail like poster suggested, but really nice plate).
    And of course the sockets:
    One handed Weapon (as DW you can actually socket 2 weapons then!)
    Gloves
    bracers
    And not to forget the BeltBuckel which in my opinion will gain you a lot of money, since it will always be needed.

    Inscriptionist can make Shoulder enchants aswell m8 that is 60% more powerfull than reputation ones.

  11. #31

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Small ray of hope for all Tailors/LW/BS.
    To address the point of not having access to any pvp gear before attempting to start arenas, I don't actually feel that's accurate. We've made a point to include easily craftable pvp gear of dungeon quality to give players a chance to get their feet in the door before moving along the upgrade path.
    Snagged from the middle of Kalgan's post found here.

    http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...o=1&sid=2000#4

    You might at least be able to sell some starter PvP gear. Its not much, but its better than nothing.
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  12. #32

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    It was said that leatherworking makes mail pieces now.

    Is this the answer? There was not one single post from blizzard that ever said , "Hey Shammies and hunters, we are no longer going to allow you to craft armor and weapons, That is something we will allow plate wearers to do from here on out. We changed our minds on oyur armor from original wow and BC."

    I guesss that is the message being sent to mail users.

    Just because I am not getting what I feel I should get, does not mean I cannot complain, or that I will like it.

  13. #33

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkbunny
    It was said that leatherworking makes mail pieces now.

    Is this the answer? There was not one single post from blizzard that ever said , "Hey Shammies and hunters, we are no longer going to allow you to craft armor and weapons, That is something we will allow plate wearers to do from here on out. We changed our minds on oyur armor from original wow and BC."

    I guesss that is the message being sent to mail users.

    Just because I am not getting what I feel I should get, does not mean I cannot complain, or that I will like it.
    Not quite sure I understand you ... Leatherworking has always been able to craft Mail items ... always ... never been any different. As for Leatherworking specialities from BS ... There's Primalstrike (Rogues / Kitties), Trival (Healing Leather) and Dragonscale (Hunters and Shammies) ...

    If I've missed the point of your post, please clarify !

  14. #34

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    BS sux . Cheer up sockets are cool . Although i think this should be a JC work. BTW JC is a really good prof> gems, amulets, rings, trinkets= 5 slots in your gear. Combined with Inscription u can get some good items.

  15. #35

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    In all honesty, the majority of Blacksmiths in endgame were Plate wearers. Mail items have been very limited, and of what were there, the mail armour created by leatherworkers were far superior, even on the armorsmith specialisation items. If you want to craft your own mail armor, the best way to go about it is through leatherworking, pure and simple. I think Blizzard have realised this and have decided to focus specifically on Plate with Blacksmithing for WotLK.

    I'd have to say, I completely disagree on the people saying Blacksmithing needs an overhaul or is unchanged for WotLK. Blacksmithing has been HUGELY upgraded over what it originally was. Let me list a few of the changes coming in WotLK for Blacksmiths.

    - Roles: More craftable items for tanking and healing at earlier levels, instead of mainly focusing on DPS items. For example, in TBC, you could only craft healing and tanking items for level 70, any items below level 70 always had a DPS focus. In WotLK, there are various healing and tanking items that are usable pre-level 80 (e.g. Brilliant Saronite items for level 75 and upwards for healing, Tempered Saronite items for Tanks for level 75 and up).

    - Itemisation: Because of the change in itemisation rules, crafted items from Blacksmithing are now actually useful instead of having unnecessary stats.

    - Shields: Always desired, never implemented till now.

    - Sockets: Sockets mean multiple customisation for Blacksmiths, as well as the fact that they stack with other enchants. The belt socket is also the ONLY belt enhancement that can be made that's universal (can be traded to others), so a very good source of income there

    - Keys: Keys make a return! Yipee!! (And they're not some crazy expensive amounts such as three arcanite bars at pre-TBC prices either)

    They've also recently moved the weaponsmith/armorsmith plans to seperate vendors. We may soon learn the details on new specialisation designs.

    It's not over yet till the fat Death Knight sings. I'm sure we're gonna be getting some nice new stuff coming our way soon.

    Just not for mail. :-P




  16. #36

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    It still seems like there was a choice made to be silent about the decisions they made in regards to Blacksithing/leatherworking craftable armor. I guess they hoped that mail wearers would not notice.

    It seems they want plate wearers to be the only ones who can craft thier own weapons and armor.

    It gives more of an appearance to take away from classes rather than providing synergy or balance.

    Another reason why October 13th will be my last day in WOW.

  17. #37

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    I read
    Not quite sure I understand you ... Leatherworking has always been able to craft Mail items ... always ... never been any different. As for Leatherworking specialities from BS ... There's Primalstrike (Rogues / Kitties), Trival (Healing Leather) and Dragonscale (Hunters and Shammies) ...

    If I've missed the point of your post, please
    If you notice the theme of this entire thread is BLACKSMITHING. Basically hunters and shammies no longer can create a weapon or 2 for themselves and a piece of armor or 2 with the same profession. Plate wearers are given this option, for synergy or whatever reason bliz decided, but it was never publicized.

    Those of us mail wearers who crafted armor not only for others but ourselves as well, were given the shaft without as much as a kiss. not one post about the decision, kinda like a girlfriend they just quit talking to/calling it seems noone had the guts to stand up and admit it.

  18. #38

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    I agree with you about the Blacksmithing no longer doing Mail armor. As for weapons...they still have weapons they make which will be of value to shamans and hunters. So far only the boe recipes have been released....and of them,there are plenty that will benefit a hunter.

    As for as blacksmithing benefits in general?
    Well...All of the starter pvp sets....are crafted now. Lvl 78 required. Tailoring crafts the cloth spell caster pvp armor,Leatherworking does Leather and Mail,Blacksmithing does plate.

    Your options for doing Arena in anything remotely resembling pvp arrmor will require you to buy the crafted sets,and do battlegrunds for the wrists,rings,necklaces and so on.

    Yes...The change in Wrath is unannounced about blacksmithing not making mail. Then again,the mail that was made wasn't that good and not many people used it. Which really is why they stopped putting recipes in it.

  19. #39

    Re: Blacksmithing issue that I have yet to see addressed

    Quote Originally Posted by Darkbunny
    I read
    If you notice the theme of this entire thread is BLACKSMITHING. Basically hunters and shammies no longer can create a weapon or 2 for themselves and a piece of armor or 2 with the same profession. Plate wearers are given this option, for synergy or whatever reason bliz decided, but it was never publicized.

    Those of us mail wearers who crafted armor not only for others but ourselves as well, were given the shaft without as much as a kiss. not one post about the decision, kinda like a girlfriend they just quit talking to/calling it seems noone had the guts to stand up and admit it.
    Ok, I see what you mean now ...

    So, by the same token, I'm very pissed off that I no longer can specialise in Weaponsmithing and craft weapons just for myself, just the way I can now. They seem to have taken all BoP Craftable epics out of the game. Yeah, that sucks.


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