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    What happened to Seal of Command

    I've seen a few posts about pallys specs for raids and lvling with the new talents and i've noticed many people skipping Seal of Command in their builds. What happened to it and is it Blood/Martyr much better?

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    For all but PvP, Blood/Martyr is better. Seal of Casino needs to die in my opinion.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    LOL I think quite the opposite... I think Seal of Blood/Martyr should die. A talented seal should always be a better choice then a gimme.
    Dwarves are BURLY!

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    funny that the name hides a less on demand ability .

    Seal of Command , even glyphed , in my experience procs insufficiently to be considered for anything but pvp . Thus , i have better use for a point to enhance my dps .

    Your swings doing ~300 more damage vs a 700-800 proc (it still might not be seen after 5 swings >_<) . Its obvious which is better

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    well, my opinion is still that Seal of Command is a lot better, get your base crit up over 30 helps you alot, Seal of blood stinks, betther off with imp SoR that with that shitty seal. SoC wtf.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Proudfoot
    LOL I think quite the opposite... I think Seal of Blood/Martyr should die. A talented seal should always be a better choice then a gimme.
    That is true, of course. But I feel our 11 pointer should be changed to something useful...

    Hand of Reckoning
    30 second cooldown.
    9% base mana

    The target's next 4 weapon swings will generate an additional attack.


    OP? Maybe. But at least it's interesting.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Yeah because Rets need more burst :

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Blood just scales much better, even though Command does scale with haste now. It's still the best PVP seal, though.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    By eliminating Seal of Command we reduce our burst. Stop trolling a class forum you know nothing about.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    He claims he has a paladin :
    Dwarves are BURLY!

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    I'm not trolling, you want to trade randomness for something given which does make sense, but it's still burst.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    I claim that I got a lap dance from Megan Fox, but we all know that isn't true either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor
    I'm not trolling, you want to trade randomness for something given which does make sense, but it's still burst.
    The burst from Seal of Command in beta comes from it procing off of multiple instant strikes. If we eliminate this Seal and replace it with extra auto swings, we will reduce our burst greatly and replace it with reliability. Everyone is happy.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Proudfoot
    He claims he has a paladin :
    At least I'm not a troll.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    My crit is over 30% and that bastard procs all the time, to the point I don't see Martyr doing better than it. But I do think it's funny that when Horde got vengeance they buffed and when alliance got blood they nerfed it.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor
    At least I'm not a troll.
    Many would probably disagree...

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Moar Pew Pew
    Many would probably disagree...
    No many rets think people disagree with them are trolls.

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor
    No many rets think people disagree with them are trolls.
    If you are disagreeing with something you should provide a counter argument or a better suggestion. The automatic nahsaying of anything anyone else suggests IS trolling and does not add anything to the conversation.

    On the topic of the post, I think that the nerfs to SoC have brought the burstiness down significantly. They could even nerf the Co-ef more and increase the proc rate to make it more viable in PVE. I really don't like the idea of having to use SoB/M in PVE just "because". Having 2 seals that do essentially the same thing is lame.
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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Havn't realy used other seals for dps than SoC, cos the other seal realy suxx, yeah its random and yes it ahve been nerfed, but anyway, got my base over 30%, and when the first proc comes so does my crit procs from mongoose and then its on the lose *bam**bam* dead. Seal of blood is useless, just another version of seal of Rightueness(bad spelling i know:P )

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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Anjun
    Havn't realy used other seals for dps than SoC, cos the other seal realy suxx, yeah its random and yes it ahve been nerfed, but anyway, got my base over 30%, and when the first proc comes so does my crit procs from mongoose and then its on the lose *bam**bam* dead. Seal of blood is useless, just another version of seal of Rightueness(bad spelling i know:P )

    Then you don't see it for 5 swings.. and your judgement's are not as strong.
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    Re: What happened to Seal of Command

    Quote Originally Posted by Proudfoot
    If you are disagreeing with something you should provide a counter argument or a better suggestion. The automatic nahsaying of anything anyone else suggests IS trolling and does not add anything to the conversation.

    On the topic of the post, I think that the nerfs to SoC have brought the burstiness down significantly. They could even nerf the Co-ef more and increase the proc rate to make it more viable in PVE. I really don't like the idea of having to use SoB/M in PVE just "because". Having 2 seals that do essentially the same thing is lame.
    That's kind of superficial. Taking neglect-able (in pve) damage from martyr will give you back mana . Even more sustainability .
    For arena soc is nice to see "the big numbers" . SoC in my opinion should be scaled a little more with wep damage( 5-10 % ) and really there's nothing else to fix about dps . But given almost every ability scales with gear and the changes have been made with wlk in mind we might see high damage from seals afterall

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