Thread: Hunter 3.0

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  1. #21

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Locknload
    @someoneelse
    The guy here is asking for a level 70 3.0 build, not a level 80 one
    you are right, my bad...in that case i think it would look something like this:

    http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...00000000000000


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  3. #23

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lavache
    WWS numbers from a raid (02/10/08)

    http://wowwebstats.com/t5ymnjcmxh2ou...00004&s=bosses

    As you can see the miss-chances for a cat are:

    Swing - 20%
    Claw - 14%
    Kill Command - 20%
    Bite - 10%

    And that is as a BM-hunter.
    So imo, take 2/2 Animal Handler and get 9% more dps

    I hate numbers, I do not get them >.< And I have to be honest that I do not really know how hit works and if it affects those parries and dodges.
    No, you don't get 9% more dps. And all you've listed here proves that Animal Handler won't be necessary at al, as our +hit will be enough for pet (~9% +hit). +hit does not work with dodges and parries (which your pet shouldn't have as it has to attack from behind, so only dodges), expertise removes them from table.

    And yes, tests prove that Focused Aim does increase pet's +hit too.

    This will be the build I am using, together with this cat-build:
    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0Vbz0fc0szz

    As you can see, you 'need' those 4 extra points. Too bad it aren't 5 points =(
    Move that silly point from Great Stamina to Dash. It's a lot better. Also getting BM on 70lvl isn't needed even if that allows to get all that shiny pet talents. Without BM Ferocity's tree would look like that:
    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00sc0Mz
    Does not have all nice talents maxed out, but it should work nicely while still having good dps. Also, Rabid seems to be bugged a big atm.

  4. #24

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lavache
    WWS numbers from a raid (02/10/08)

    http://wowwebstats.com/t5ymnjcmxh2ou...00004&s=bosses

    As you can see the miss-chances for a cat are:

    Swing - 20%
    Claw - 14%
    Kill Command - 20%
    Bite - 10%

    And that is as a BM-hunter.
    So imo, take 2/2 Animal Handler and get 9% more dps

    Also a question to anybody who things he knows the answer:
    Does my pet benefit from the talent that gives 3% more hit?

    Now I have looked more into the numbers and I see that 3.6% was missed, 3.6% was parried and that 14% was dodged. But doesnt hit affect the dodge? I always thought it did.


    Even a better link from Teron Gorefiend (which is just a tank/spank fight if you don't get the ghost)

    http://wowwebstats.com/t5ymnjcmxh2ou...404a73b2000073

    I'll ignore Kill Command because he does it manually

    Claw: 6% miss, and 8% parried or dodged.

    I hate numbers, I do not get them >.< And I have to be honest that I do not really know how hit works and if it affects those parries and dodges.
    You pet will most likely not receive the hit rating from talents, since your pet only gains those stats you have on your character panel, at least I think so. But dont take my word for it, eventually someone will test it out and tell us what is right.

    And about your WWS log you saw yourself that it summed up miss, parry, dodge into "miss", which provides false data. Your cats Swing missed 5.1%, which should be totally correct, since 9-4=5. Hit doesn't affect dodge or parry, only expertise does.

    As for me, I will most likely go with this spec:
    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbMztgRmuzxRZ0eVbM

  5. #25

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Korghal
    You pet will most likely not receive the hit rating from talents, since your pet only gains those stats you have on your character panel, at least I think so. But dont take my word for it, eventually someone will test it out and tell us what is right.

    And about your WWS log you saw yourself that it summed up miss, parry, dodge into "miss", which provides false data. Your cats Swing missed 5.1%, which should be totally correct, since 9-4=5. Hit doesn't affect dodge or parry, only expertise does.

    As for me, I will most likely go with this spec:
    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbMztgRmuzxRZ0eVbM
    Talented stats are always on character panel, just like lethal shots.

  6. #26

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Vegelus
    Talented stats are always on character panel, just like lethal shots.
    Eh, Careful Aim is not. Mousing over my Ranged Hit Rating on my premade tells me just what the 54 Hit Rating I have provides, regardless of the 3% from CA or the 1% from Heroic Presence.
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  7. #27

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilgon
    Eh, Careful Aim is not. Mousing over my Ranged Hit Rating on my premade tells me just what the 54 Hit Rating I have provides, regardless of the 3% from CA or the 1% from Heroic Presence.
    Because it shows "ranged hit rating" and not +%hit, simply.
    And as for Careful Aim - probably some missed detail.

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  9. #29

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Lavache
    This will be the build I am using, together with this cat-build:
    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0Vbz0fc0szz

    As you can see, you 'need' those 4 extra points. Too bad it aren't 5 points =(
    Well you pet build is based on a level 80 pet
    Furthermore the extra points will not contribute in your pets dps, only in his survivability. Also I thought Call of the Wild didn't stack with BoK. Not sure about this though. So if it doesn't stack. You can get the same dps without the Beast Mastery talent: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00cc0cz

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    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by xourico
    why da heck u want exotic pets for?...

    if ur talking bout pve get a real pet...

    atm in BETA and PTR both cats and scorpids do way more DPS then devilsaurs... theres no reason to get exotic 51 talent crappy talent...

    1 point in go for the throat gives insane damage boost trought pet specials...
    Tbh I didn't read that he said he took Beast Mastery for an exotic pet. And wouldn't it be a DPS increase in taking the Beast Mastery talent and then a cat for example and spend those 4 extra talent points on the cat?

  11. #31

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    I fail to see how the 4 training points are necessary for a Ferocity pet.

    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00fc0czz acquires every meaningful DPS talent in the tree.
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  12. #32

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilgon
    I fail to see how the 4 training points are necessary for a Ferocity pet.

    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00fc0czz acquires every meaningful DPS talent in the tree.
    well from my point of view, having those extra 4 skills for boar speed, lion heart and heart of fenix is good since im most likely gonna be pvping as well

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    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Locknload
    Well you pet build is based on a level 80 pet
    Furthermore the extra points will not contribute in your pets dps, only in his survivability. Also I thought Call of the Wild didn't stack with BoK. Not sure about this though. So if it doesn't stack. You can get the same dps without the Beast Mastery talent: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00cc0cz
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    I've looked at the 'zomg, does it stack'-thing on wotlkwiki, and it doesn't say anythinga bout CotW.
    If it doesn't stack, I'll kick somebody in the nuts ^^ seriously
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  14. #34

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    was prob daydreaming again... sorry

  15. #35

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by someoneelse
    pvp
    *watches all semblance of caring fly out the window*
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  16. #36

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Probably will be nice on a PVP server since like... anyone and everyone will always try to gank you on a PVP server, especially wotlk opening just to "play with" new talents.

    Think I had to fend off someone every 5-10min when i was lvling on a pvp beta server.

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    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Locknload
    was prob daydreaming again... sorry
    No problem, but you made me curious.
    How does Call of the Wild stack with Trueshot Aura?

    It is 20 seconds long with a minute cooldown, if it doesn't stack with TSA and the DK-ability it is very bad for a groupwide ability.
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  18. #38

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Locknload
    @DarkH
    4/5 Frenzy is more then enough to let your pet frenzy almost 100%.
    Animal handler is prob worthless now pet hit scales with the hit from his master.
    if you go 5/5 frenzy your just bad

    pets as of right now in BT/SW miss about 12% of the time w/ 2/2 animal handler so even if pets are getting 100% of the masters hit they're still 4ish % off of being hit cap (an improvement if they are getting 100%) but still @ 70 you'd need about 3-4% more hit with AH to get your pet hit cap. thats a lot and your talking a 1-2% increase in dmg by getting AH over not getting it

    70 talent build: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...00000000000000

    80 talent build: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?hunt...00000000000000

  19. #39

    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Pet's do get Master's Hit% with Wrath, Animal Handler still does raise their Hit% but they don't miss as it is when they have your Hit% so it's redundant now.

    Cat's are doing more in the Beta because Rake was scaled too high, it is being nerfed. Scorpids are not providing more DPS in Raids then Devilsaurs, if they are every Beta Hunter is hiding it as they all post their stats and change pets for testing, Devilsaurs are still king over anything else but not by a huge margin but we are trying to get a Spirit Beast for testing (RP Hunters are making this hard as hell to do).

    That Cat build is not an 80 Cat, that's a 68 Cat with the BM Talent adding 4 extra Talent points.

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    Re: Hunter 3.0

    Quote Originally Posted by Rilgon
    I fail to see how the 4 training points are necessary for a Ferocity pet.

    http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?petcalc=0md00fc0czz acquires every meaningful DPS talent in the tree.
    Because that requires level 80 and it can't even stay alive good.
    I love my pet, I do not want it to die.

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    Try to boil everything down to a negative catch phrase all you want. We're still going to spend countless hours making Warlords of Draenor the most epic expansion possible.

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