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  1. #121

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Kiting > ret paladins.

    Every class that can kite has a way to dispel. Do it and survive bubble and you win. Just because you might have to fear ret pallys like you do ShS rogues or MS wars now does not make them OP.

    Kiting > ret paladins.

    /thread

  2. #122

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerazznor
    Kiting > ret paladins.

    Every class that can kite has a way to dispel. Do it and survive bubble and you win. Just because you might have to fear ret pallys like you do ShS rogues or MS wars now does not make them OP.

    Kiting > ret paladins.

    /thread
    Ridiculous stuns on fast CD > kiting


  3. #123

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerazznor
    Kiting > ret paladins.

    Every class that can kite has a way to dispel. Do it and survive bubble and you win. Just because you might have to fear ret pallys like you do ShS rogues or MS wars now does not make them OP.

    Kiting > ret paladins.

    /thread
    disspell magic/poison/diseas, blessing of freedom, incapitation/stun. > kiting.

    /thread

  4. #124

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by yiptastic

    sounds like someone comparing 1v1 matches.  hey newbie Kaiton, do you know that Blizz devs never care about 1v1 balancing?
    Someone who likely has never stepped foot in arena or if so gone past 1500 rating.

    1v1 balance is very important and Blizzard does try to balance it as best they can.






  5. #125

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    ^
    Erm... nope. They have said the opposite on numerous occasions.

  6. #126

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    btw every QQ post I see on us forums mention HoJ on 20 sec cd. Imp HoJ requires 18 points in prot so nobody is taking it at 70 and if they do, they dont have divine storm. So I think people just QQ without even trying to understand why and how they get owned.

  7. #127

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by Brox
    btw every QQ post I see on us forums mention HoJ on 20 sec cd. Imp HoJ requires 18 points in prot so nobody is taking it at 70 and if they do, they dont have divine storm. So I think people just QQ without even trying to understand why and how they get owned.
    Agree with that. Some QQ people just assume ret will get this, ret will get that. All the rets will ahve a 20 sec HoJ with 7 second duration right? I personally am not planning on getting 18 into the prot tree jsut to et a lower CD for HoJ. I would much rather focus on my direct damage out put. People who wants to get that Imp HoJ will, at the same time, have to sacrifice their ret tree, thus their driect damage out put, to a certain extent.

    Please dont just look at the talents/spell and say "oh you can get this, you can get that. You can have almost everything. Thats unfair!" The truth is, if we get this, we possibly cant get that.


    I am not that good I know...

  8. #128

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Retribution paladins arent fine, in my opinion, still have some issues, at 70 using level 80 abilities the tunning cant for sure be accurate, they sometimes, i repeat sometimes, output a big burst damage and on other moments just plain damage below some other dps classes.

    The real, PvE wise, problem is that retribution paladins cant really control the damage they return, living on procs and bursts, at 80 will be the same, damage a bit bigger due to gear and rised stats, but on sub-par with alot other classes.

    Paladins retribution need to be tunned, not down or upped, in order to control better they PvE fights and be able to "compete" with other dps classes on the new cap level.

    Nerfing isnt the word, Tunning it is, spike damage isnt the thing in PvE, sustained hig damage it is, this is, in my opinion, the real problem.

    PvP wise, they are alot better, all classes PvP specced can from time to time burn an opponent down, seen mages pyro a 10K hp warrior from 100 to 0 on one blast, and seen Warrior melt mail users in the intercept stun (3 seconds) form 100 to 0. PvP is all burst fast damage, PvE is sustained damage, and it is in this picture that retribution paladins need improvements, not nerfs.

    Mean, the Merciless.

  9. #129

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by mean
    The real, PvE wise, problem is that retribution paladins cant really control the damage they return, living on procs and bursts, at 80 will be the same, damage a bit bigger due to gear and rised stats, but on sub-par with alot other classes.
    Then quit using the stupid Seal of Casino.
    You want flowing, steady and predictable Damage? Then please, for gods sake, use SoB/SoM.

  10. #130

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by Vertue
    ...I hate morons and QQers. You forget somethings and I will remind you.

    ...In Vanilla 1.0 ret pallies had no place in groups or raids. Ret paladins went down a road alone and scared. The only thing we could do is solo, painfully without mana, without the dmg... We endured.

    ...Then came tbc, we were promised change. The change came but wasn't enough, now pallies everywhere had a choice, holy, prot or lonely. As ret pallies we suffered again screaming LFG without ever getting any invites. Or getting invites just to be kicked when you can be replace with CCs, or for fear of your "Burst dmg/aggro". Some ret pallies again suffered, some suffered so much that rerolling was their only choice in the end, but others endured yet again.

    ...But PvE was not the only place we suffered. We suffered itemization, we suffered in pvp where people would walk across your face. We were so often roadkill :'(. We begged and begged Blizzard for a change, a chance to prove ourselves, one chance to have a choice. Our suffering even shows today in the names: Retardins, Retlols and such others. We were called the weakest, we were called the dumbest and we were unloved. We prayed to the Light, we prayed to the Narus we begged Blizzard. Now the times of change has finally arrived to give "retardins" a chance, and now... All you insolent embecilles, idiots that were pushing for nerfs, always nerfs you dare again to speak of nerfs... HOW... DARE... YOU >!!!

    Better shut up before I go make some voodoo dolls. Nerf? NERF? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Especially warlocks, ESPECIALLY YOU. You have been wow champions for the longest times. You QQ have made us suffer too long. ENOUGH is ENOUGH. We are back and we are not to be taken lightly... DEAL WITH IT!!! For all the suffering we have suffered I say MORE POWER... MORE!!!

    You don't know what it is like to be a retpally. No groups, no raids, no one... EVER. We will not return to that state, never again...

    VERTUE: The evil die by the hand of the pure... The QQs are evil...
    Although it is well writen, passing very well the message in simple and funny way, remeber your "raid spot" is still in danger, your burst uncontrolled damage can make retribution paladins skyhigh in threat from one momento to another, giving no chance to the tank to uphold that situation, may drive to a wipe.

    If your aim is solelly PvP then its fine, burst and quickness are kings in PvP, if you also think on PvE, you better checkout some ways to refine your damage and playstyles and give blizzard some accurate feedback on how to improve that area.

    Mean, the Merciless

  11. #131

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaij
    Ret is supposed to be a support DPS class, not main DPS class.
    Ahh, so we have a "DPS Tree" to roll lolDPS?
    If the fact that -Hybrid Classes do (almost) equal damage to pure DPS classes- is ur real problem, say it.

    I heared these stupid arguments way too often now.
    If in your eyes, we should be a supporting loldps DD then tell that to all those Shamans too.

    Go bullshit elsewhere.

  12. #132

    Re: Dont nerf me bro ! (Blizzcon quote inside)

    Ya.................nerf ret pallies woot woot.....only if you nerf frost mages. pvp warriors, disc priest, feral druids.

    Frost mage and a pvp warrior can roll a ret pally. Disc priest will NEVER die. and feral druids pfft.

    People say ret pallies are op (maybe?) but what about bc rogues. You cant tell me they werent op at all. What class could roll a decent rogue? I play one so i know what im talking about.

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