Blizzcon 2008 - Day 2 !

[Cookiecutter]

Q: Endgame 10-man raiding is great, but it also means if you lose a player or two it can be difficult since less people are in the party. Could another class perhaps get a Battle Rez?
A: What class did you have in mind? (Audience jeering and yelling out suggestions.) Death Knights have a self Battle Rez!

Death Knights have a self rez? i know about the Val'Kyr things, but doesn't that only last until you leave Ebon Hold?

[Tygor]

I thought everybody knew that the next expansion was Maelstrom?

[Aghnaar]

Q: Endgame 10-man raiding is great, but it also means if you lose a player or two it can be difficult since less people are in the party. Could another class perhaps get a Battle Rez?
A: What class did you have in mind? (Audience jeering and yelling out suggestions.) Death Knights have a self Battle Rez!

Death Knights have a self rez? i know about the Val'Kyr things, but doesn't that only last until you leave Ebon Hold?

Raise dead/Shadow of Death

[Freyros]

Q: Shadow Priest's Dispersion is lackluster. Any chance for some buffs?
A: Probably not. The Devs are happy with the way it is. It's a partial shield that does not root you. Yeah it's not terribly useful for high-end PvE, but it is beneficial in other way and 51-Point talents are often very situational.

Pffft... :

[Socronoss]

R.I.P Warlocks.

Not only were they barely mentioned but it was even clearly stated that good mages or rogues will top the dmg meters.....

Pathetic...

[Ägallar]

R.I.P Warlocks.

Not only were they barely mentioned but it was even clearly stated that good mages or rogues will top the dmg meters.....

Pathetic...

Cry more?

If you're not on the beta, or are unable to read Elitist Jerks, then just can it. There is no point in crying every time you don't get exactly what you want. Shaman got the same treatment, but that doesn't mean that the end is here for us, does it?

What's pathetic is whining about every little percieved injustice from Blizzard.

THIS IS A GAME!

[Calaba]

I'm still trying to envision how the mechanostriders are going to swim...

Thinking maybe a jet-ski kinda thing. Would look kinda cool if they did it properly

Actually, I wonder why it is that they have named the 10-man loot "heroes' <tier3>", when the 25-man is supposed to be the heroic version, which they call "valorous <tier 3>" ?

[Ufalah]

Wow, did they not invite warlocks to Blizzcon?

The only question was about pet switching, and it got a non-answer. Apparently pet switching is a problem, but not pet resummoning?

What about Conflag (and how awful it is for PVE)? What about Demonology?

What about the fact that mages, druids, shamans, etc all have better CC than us now? Everyone except a gimp Demo lock has a cast time on their seduce. You can't fear juggle anymore. Fear still has the same shitty range and duration in PVE.

Even hunters can now shoot their traps, and sap works on everything important.

Seduce isn't going to cut it in our current form. NO lock can even use a Succubus without gimping themselves. EVEN IF you have your succubus DPSing, that still means she can't DPS while CCing. Locks are going to be the only DPS class without an easy to use CC, including the caster hybrids. (Ok, ret pallies only have a 15 second cd HoJ and Repentance.) This is going to make them WAY less desirable at 80 for 5 mans. Anyone remember how heroics were at the start of TBC? I sure do. Taking non-CC DPS just gimped your group.

So basically warlocks are going to be the only class that gimps themselves for BOTH their group utility (CoE instead of a damage curse, other "CoE"s from Druid/DK are applied through normal DPSing) AND our CC (having a Succubus channel seduce instead of DPSing/another pet DPSing).

Is this seriously a warlock QQ'ing?

What exactly is wrong with Succubus CC that you won't be considered for 5-mans? &#160;You do less damage while it is channeling seduce sure, but seduce does its job as a CC and once the group kills your CC target your succubus is free to dps... for all the damage it does rofl.

In PvP you are still the most incredibly annoying form of CC outside of cycLOLone. &#160;You are also probably still one of the strongest classes in PvP, especially now that you can spec afflic and get soul link.

Either way I rofl'ed harder than most times reading this. &#160;I usually rofl when anyone complains about any class because in all seriousness (/sarcasmoff) Blizzard does an excellent job at listening to the community and responding. &#160;The fact that they don't respond INSTANTLY or in the exact way YOU (general you, not quoted poster specifically) want is heartening sometimes because it shows they put more thought into the consequences. &#160;Also more thought into money-making probably lol.

Everyone just needs to stop QQ'ing and wait for WotLK. &#160;It will be leaps and bounds better than TBC.

Oh, and before anyone throws out accusations about how I probably play this class or that class I will tell you. &#160;Holy paladin. &#160;

[aikouka]

...It's becoming passive right? Meaning non-dispellable? This seems like a weird question and an even weirder answer. Unless they're referring to its current state, which even then doesn't make much sense as it's changing in three days' time.

No it is not going to be passive at this point. They took this question and answered it in a general approach of "we don't like the current dispel system much and kind of want to change it, but have nothing solid at this point about that" I believe they did say something along the lines of only being able to remove debuffs and really powerful buffs, but I don't really remember.

Slightly off topic, but GC is a guy? What's up with everyone saying that s/he is a woman? lol

The Internet FTW

GC is a dude. There was some rumor going around that he was a she and it made the beta boards quite awkward... half the subforums would call him a her and the others would use he... just quite awkward :P.

Is blizzcon over?

Yessir, sadly enough .

[stupid11]

What exactly is wrong with Succubus CC that you won't be considered for 5-mans? You do less damage while it is channeling seduce sure, but seduce does its job as a CC and once the group kills your CC target your succubus is free to dps... for all the damage it does rofl.

In PvP you are still the most incredibly annoying form of CC outside of cycLOLone. You are also probably still one of the strongest classes in PvP, especially now that you can spec afflic and get soul link.

Because it has a recast time, can't be reapplied until the channeling is finished, and the pet can't damage while CCing. And it's exactly the point that we do less damage while CCing. NO OTHER CLASS is hurt this much in terms of DPS by their CC. And like I said, it forces us to use a Succubus, when we'd rather be using an Imp (Destro), Felhunter (Aff), or Felguard (Demo).

Who gives a fuck about PVP? Paladins always QQ about Locks because you can't dispel Curse of Tongues, but honestly when you're not facing a gimp Paladin, the Warlock is just going to sit there and take it. Considering the priest changes (Since they get a Psychic scream that's a Horrify effect, I guess they were the class to get AOE Deathcoil for some reason?), Warlocks are going to be the preferred "Beat on this class until it dies" for Phys spam arena teams, etc....

Honestly though, who cares about PVP. Warlocks are still going to be a clothie class, and get ripped a new one by melee. My post was about CC in PVE.

[Disturbed]

why is there no raid set for bear druids? bears need health, avoidance, defense, etc. cats dont need all that health. they need more hit, crit, ap. cats/bears shouldnt share a nerfed set, and be forced to use cookie cutter non-set pieces to fill the gaps. those non-set pieces will be wanted by ALL of the other classes and druids will be screwed until they fill those slots. thats why druids always had to be overgeared to be effective. hard to overgear a druid if you make him need so many non-set pieces. cats/bears dont share the same talents. they dont have the same stat requirements. they arent even the same role. why do they have to share set gear? all other hybrids got their own gear with much more proper itemization. would warriors and death knights like it if they all had to share the same gear regardless of spec/role? i dont think so.

[Tchernobyl]

You didn't include my question in the Q&A panel! >

It was the one about warrior abilities having big drawbacks, such as death wish making you take more damage, berserker stance itself making you take more damage, and the hit penalty on titan's grip...

ghostcrawler answered that titan's grip still needs the counterbalance, but that stances might get worked on to be similar level to presences.

[jimmercubed]

At the point where you're depending on your succubus for your main source of DPS, you fail at being a warlock anyways.

[Ufalah]

Because it has a recast time, can't be reapplied until the channeling is finished, and the pet can't damage while CCing. And it's exactly the point that we do less damage while CCing. NO OTHER CLASS is hurt this much in terms of DPS by their CC. And like I said, it forces us to use a Succubus, when we'd rather be using an Imp (Destro), Felhunter (Aff), or Felguard (Demo).

Who gives a fuck about PVP? Paladins always QQ about Locks because you can't dispel Curse of Tongues, but honestly when you're not facing a gimp Paladin, the Warlock is just going to sit there and take it. Considering the priest changes (Since they get a Psychic scream that's a Horrify effect, I guess they were the class to get AOE Deathcoil for some reason?), Warlocks are going to be the preferred "Beat on this class until it dies" for Phys spam arena teams, etc....

Honestly though, who cares about PVP. Warlocks are still going to be a clothie class, and get ripped a new one by melee. My post was about CC in PVE.

Try clicking DC when the channel ends so the succi can recast? Tough concept I know.

At least you HAVE a CC. No one is going to say "LF1M CC except Warlock b/c succi gimps their DPS." You have a CC. It will be more than enough to get you invited to groups. No one will care that it has a cast time. YOU might care b/c it "gimps" you DPS. Try playing a ret paladin and having NO CC. lol

Either way. You might have a "gimped" CC. But you have a CC that works. Cry moah.

[MeggieLee]

• PvP - They also want players to be able to level up in battlegrounds through XP rewards in addition of honor. Daily quests will also be added.

Thank goodness I leveled my twink ages ago.

But I swear I saw a blue post like a week ago that specifically stated that they weren't going to do this. I am confused now.

[Fuggle]

Who gives a fuck about PVP? Paladins always QQ about Locks because you can't dispel Curse of Tongues, but honestly when you're not facing a gimp Paladin, the Warlock is just going to sit there and take it. Considering the priest changes (Since they get a Psychic scream that's a Horrify effect, I guess they were the class to get AOE Deathcoil for some reason?), Warlocks are going to be the preferred "Beat on this class until it dies" for Phys spam arena teams, etc....

Honestly though, who cares about PVP. Warlocks are still going to be a clothie class, and get ripped a new one by melee. My post was about CC in PVE.

You do realize they got rid of that talent, our fear is weaker than yours and on a 30 second cooldown, besides the only class that was going to get the horror was shadow, not all priests. Idk how you can claim DC + Spammable fear + similar AoE Fear < 30 second cooldown AoE fear.

[stupid11]

At the point where you're depending on your succubus for your main source of DPS, you fail at being a warlock anyways.

No one said main source of DPS, but your pet should be A source of DPS, and Blizzard wants to make us rely on them to compete with other classes for DPS. They've said that a pet class shouldn't be able to outdps a non-pet class without using their pet.

You do realize they got rid of that talent, our fear is weaker than yours and on a 30 second cooldown, besides the only class that was going to get the horror was shadow, not all priests. Idk how you can claim DC + Spammable fear + similar AoE Fear < 30 second cooldown AoE fear.

Our AOE fear is on a 45 second cooldown and has a cast time. I didn't say you had more fear options than us. That would be pretty absurd considering you can heal.

Try clicking DC when the channel ends so the succi can recast? Tough concept I know.

At least you HAVE a CC. No one is going to say "LF1M CC except Warlock b/c succi gimps their DPS." You have a CC. It will be more than enough to get you invited to groups. No one will care that it has a cast time. YOU might care b/c it "gimps" you DPS. Try playing a ret paladin and having NO CC. lol

Either way. You might have a "gimped" CC. But you have a CC that works. Cry moah.

So I have to use a 2 minute cooldown to re-CC my target? What about the next time?

Ret pally =/= Caster. Casters have CC, melee traditionally DON'T (besides sap, which can't be reapplied). That has no impact on what CC warlocks should have in PVE because the game is balanced so that casters are CC, melee aren't (fury/arms warriors, etc....). (BTW, are ret pallies and mages ever satisfied? I don't think they will be until no one plays any other DPS class/spec because mages/ret pallies can do everything.)

[Losullus]

A question to the full Patch Notes:

Shaman:
10% spell haste totem... wasn't it 5%?

[Overkill1337]

A question to the full Patch Notes:

Shaman:
10% spell haste totem... wasn't it 5%?

no i think it was 10