This is a little overboard.

[Nidhögg]

Well, please sir, escort you and your e-peen to the door, we dont serve the likes of you that dont read the threads on the post.

I have already mentioned several times that I had made a mistake and have even deleted it off the post. But no, you just have to pick at something.

The door is there, and I dont think that thing your lugging with you is your e-peen, I am pretty sure that is a tumor of the brain.

But we should serve the likes of you that dont look up facts, that dont do research, that just QQ all day long?
Woops, you made a mistake. Maybe you made a mistake when looking up the new ret dps? Do you know for a FACT that they are really sub-par? No, didnt think so.

And sorry, I dont deal with e-peens, I´ll leave that to you, you seem quite familiar with them.

[Grimgrin]

You're full of shit, they were not op at lv80 in PvE or PvP.

Yes they were, I played Ret at 80 and they may have not been AS op as say an Unholy DK, or Frost Mage but the damage I could deal out in a short period in PvP was dumb. Beta forums have been flooded with Ret is OP from the start, and it took Blizzard this long before they implemented the nerf, they tried to make minor adjustments, it didn't work. I accept that we were OP and that these nerfs were needed, its all the little whiny 12 year olds who don't have enough skill to shake a stick that want to dominate everyone else by going afk that ruin it for the rest of us who know it was a needed change.

Now we have to think in PvP, and actually think about mana in PvE, get over it, every class has its STREGTHS AND WEAKNESS' this is what makes classes unique and different.

Enhancement Shaman is comparable to Ret except they have NO survivability in PvP right now, and after all the QQing the SHamans have done during Beta, the rest of you Ret Pallies have outdone them in a matter of days.

GJ, make the whole Paladin community look bad pls.

PS: BLIZZARD DOES NOT LISTEN TO YOUR WHINY "OMFG I AM CANCELLING MY ACCOUNT F U BLIZZ GTFO, OMGWTFBBQ QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ" POSTS.

K? THXBAI.

[Whitcher]

Yes they were, I played Ret at 80 and they may have not been AS op as say an Unholy DK, or Frost Mage but the damage I could deal out in a short period in PvP was dumb. Beta forums have been flooded with Ret is OP from the start, and it took Blizzard this long before they implemented the nerf, they tried to make minor adjustments, it didn't work. I accept that we were OP and that these nerfs were needed, its all the little whiny 12 year olds who don't have enough skill to shake a stick that want to dominate everyone else by going afk that ruin it for the rest of us who know it was a needed change.

Now we have to think in PvP, and actually think about mana in PvE, get over it, every class has its STREGTHS AND WEAKNESS' this is what makes classes unique and different.

Enhancement Shaman is comparable to Ret except they have NO survivability in PvP right now, and after all the QQing the SHamans have done during Beta, the rest of you Ret Pallies have outdone them in a matter of days.

GJ, make the whole Paladin community look bad pls.

PS: BLIZZARD DOES NOT LISTEN TO YOUR WHINY "OMFG I AM CANCELLING MY ACCOUNT F U BLIZZ GTFO, OMGWTFBBQ QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ" POSTS.

K? THXBAI.

Shamanistic rage K? THXBAI

[Offhand]

Well, please sir, escort you and your e-peen to the door, we dont serve the likes of you that dont read the threads on the post.

I have already mentioned several times that I had made a mistake and have even deleted it off the post. But no, you just have to pick at something.

The door is there, and I dont think that thing your lugging with you is your e-peen, I am pretty sure that is a tumor of the brain.

If you're going to make a wall of text post about something completely justifiable. It helps you be kinda within the reality you're talking about. You don't need to have a 70 warrior to get these abilities right, just wowhead.

[trunkmonkey]

my post isnt a QQ thread

Read it again, it clearly states, why did these happen, and some logic to add to my why question. Now if I was QQing it would of had been more like


FIX RET NOW. GC SUCKS.

that kinds of stuff

True, the first post was articulate.

and for they seal thing, you know they could of I dont know just like not make it a 100% crit when stunned lol. I mean hell warlocks get something in the Destruction tree that raises thier shadow and flame spells to a 100% crit.

and I dont know how JoTw will work on live, it may be too a little amount.

Too bad you couldn't keep it up.

Seriously though, most people who have gone up against retadins in battlegrounds since the content patch have seen the OPness. It's pretty severe. I'm in all season 1-3 gear except one green ring. I have 280 resilience (not great, but not shabby) and 10.4k HP. Retadins consistently drain all or nearly all of my health over the duration of Hammer of Justice. That's just too much.

[Grimgrin]

Shamanistic rage K? THXBAI

Yup that 12 secs at 30% reduced damage is every bit as good as 12 secs of complete immunity, in which they can full heal, untouched.

Anyone who thinks Enhancement Shamans have better survivability than a Ret Pally in PvP is smoking something illegal.

[Deleted]

Yup that 12 secs at 30% reduced damage is every bit as good as 12 secs of complete immunity, in which they can full heal, untouched.

Anyone who thinks Enhancement Shamans have better survivability than a Ret Pally in PvP is smoking something illegal.

I can't really say which one has better survivability overall since their survival mechanisms are so different. F.ex. spirit wolves does quite a lot of damage AND they heal you at the same time, even if you're stunned. That's a lot of survivability and damage without you needing to do anything. Bubble on the other hand does have complete immunity allowing you to either swing around or heal. Neither can really be compared directly and you shouldn't even try to either.

[Offhand]

I can't really say which one has better survivability overall since their survival mechanisms are so different. F.ex. spirit wolves does quite a lot of damage AND they heal you at the same time, even if you're stunned. That's a lot of survivability and damage without you needing to do anything. Bubble on the other hand does have complete immunity allowing you to either swing around or heal. Neither can really be compared directly and you shouldn't even try to either.

That makes utter... complete... sense...

Single abilities cannot be compared between 2 classes. There's too much else different between them.

[Deleted]

That makes utter... complete... sense...

Yes, I am sorry if I shocked you and somehow ruined your image of mindless whiney-kid-paladins :P I atleast often try to make sense Then again, I don't play a ret paladin.... *grin*

[Pahus]

:DDDDDDDDDdddddddddddd

I'm sorry I tried to be constructive but it got the best of me
This is fun actually, reading all the QQ over the overpowerdness and nerfs blabla..
When the patch came out, as a priest I quickly realized how shit the game was to play in it's current state
with all the classes with their new abilities, retadins on top of everything.

But I managed to get over it by just deciding I'd not play until WotLK :>>>>>:>

I suggest you do the same if it gets too hard for your asses :|

[Griffles]

Seriously though, most people who have gone up against retadins in battlegrounds since the content patch have seen the OPness. It's pretty severe. I'm in all season 1-3 gear except one green ring. I have 280 resilience (not great, but not shabby) and 10.4k HP. Retadins consistently drain all or nearly all of my health over the duration of Hammer of Justice. That's just too much.

With those stats, any other class can take you down in 6 seconds atm.

[Griffles]

:DDDDDDDDDdddddddddddd

But I managed to get over it by just deciding I'd not play until WotLK :>>>>>:>

I suggest you do the same if it gets too hard for your asses :|

Actually, that is a great idea. Too bad I was not able to resist...

[heerobya]

Blizzard is just catering to the QQs. Don't even bother, just reroll or cancel your subscription(and make sure you list the reason for it, this bullshit knee jerk nerf).

Actually, the reason would be your bullshit knee jerk reaction to "balancing"

lololoolololololollolololol your QQ sustains me

[Holmendis]

With those stats, any other class can take you down in 6 seconds atm.

That's probably true... but palies are just better and more efficient at it... atm.

[Proudfoot]

Yup that 12 secs at 30% reduced damage is every bit as good as 12 secs of complete immunity, in which they can full heal, untouched.

Anyone who thinks Enhancement Shamans have better survivability than a Ret Pally in PvP is smoking something illegal.

My main is a ret pally and my alt is an enhance shaman... Pallys have much more survivability.

[Maleboligia]

Getting killed in 2 hits nearly instantly is bs. Simple and plain. I have a pally, and 5 other toons, all of which have no chance vs retadins. If they are no OP why do I see WSG filled with only pally's? Same goes for AV's with 15 pally's(or more). It's simple math that they are OP. And the class is SUPPOSED to be challenging, complaining about that will not garner any sympathy from me. Are the nerfs excessive? Probably. it's called fine tuning, I seem to have missed the notes where they said all these changes are set in stone forever.

Try learning some goddamn patience. Blizzard(like most adults) do not respond well to temper tantrums.

[Applegarth]

The main issue for me is the mana, I can deal with reduced seal damage cause at 80 it will be balanced out with Sheath, and and all the gear we will wear. I have read some peoples post about that the 15% was good. I did read that they have an idea to lower the Judgment CD so that will help alot with the mana.

Divine Plea with also help.

Now for the last time, about the warrior execute.

I remember reading that it was at 35% as well, so please pardon my mistake, I have always known it was at 20%.

So there.

[Pepsicola]

Blizzard is just catering to the QQs. Don't even bother, just reroll or cancel your subscription(and make sure you list the reason for it, this bullshit knee jerk nerf).

Don't cancel, re-roll. >:O

[Pepsicola]

And yes, it is a little overboard. I agree with you 100% myself.