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    Disc priest as tank healer

    The more research I do on specing Disc, the more I keep reading posts saying something like "Bliz has stated that Discipline is a tank healing spec" but after an hour of searching the O boards, I can't find a single blue post or reference where Bliz has stated that. Does someone have a link that you would like to share?

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    I am more than certain that Blizzard would never say that any healing spec is a tank healing spec since they are very specific about not dictating roles. They have said it has poor AoE healing though (on a recent post on the healing forums).

    Truth be told Disc certainly is a very competent tank healing spec, at least from my experience in beta Naxx. But I think it is also a great spec for spot healing, and it is probably the best spec (with quite a lead) to heal random target damage. I do wonder if the rage lost to absorption will damage tank threat on later raid levels (tank threat is just too good in early WLK content) though at least in a 25man where the tank will likely have BoSanc and Rejuvenation ticking, I cannot see resources being limited.

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/2/12065...-healers-.html

    abstract referal to it, there have been others between disc and holy palladins that suggest blizz aims those two specs towards a focus at keeping a single target alive under extreme damage.
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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    note that the disc will be the proactive single target healer (shields, hots...) and pally more of a reactive healer (Holyshock, then instant heal (or isn't it anymore?))
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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    I always considered it a Utility/Healing spec....you know pain supression, mana burn, mass dispel...etc...

    However I can tank until out of mana in PVP as disc....not so much as holy.

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Well I don't see any decent healer as reactive. Reactive healing gets tanks killed
    The difference between absorption and intuitive or proactive healing is that absorption increases effective tank health, meaning that while proactive healing can save the tank from bad burst (yet still cause all manner of panic, and probably some overheals or wasted cooldowns) a Disc Priest can avert bad burst. In essence he does preventative healing, not proactive healing. I expect good raids to always keep a Disc priest that stacks crit/haste/Int and spams FH (grouped with a mana tide and an imp WE if possible) just because he will make healing so much smoother).
    Ofc there is a catch in that currently Disc uptime on absorption effects is not dependable since it is based on a medium length cooldown and a random effect, which means that it would cause an effect similar to bad burst due to avoidance failure (like when your healers get cozy on a high avoidance string from the tank and then panic when he suddenly takes multiple hits in a row).

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Disc as single target healer is phenomonal (spelling?).

    I am not sure how MT healing will go now that lifebloom is nerfed, I guess druids will do less of it and more raid healing with wild growth. But a disc priest and a holy pally on a MT will be a phenomonal combo. Both have instant heals (pennance first tick instant iirc), regularly fast cast heals, high crit (espscially with almost inevitable raidwide moonkin aura and shaman totem) and decent mana longevity.

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Not to mention Grace, which will make the raid adore you!

    And seeing as Guardian Spirit is a must-have for Holy priests, the only way for a priest to get Divine Spirit is to go disc all the way.
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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Quote Originally Posted by Artex
    Not to mention Grace, which will make the raid adore you!
    [color=teal]The 3% damage reduction on Grace is also covered by Blessing of Sanctuary (hello Protection Paladin), and the 6% heal from Priests, if I recall correctly, is overridden by Tree of Life or Improved Devotion Aura (Again, hello there Mr. Paladin).

    Quote Originally Posted by Artex
    And seeing as Guardian Spirit is a must-have for Holy priests, the only way for a priest to get Divine Spirit is to go disc all the way.


    Divine Spirit in and of itself doesn't make that much a difference to Disc Priests, as Spirit loses its gain to spellpower (Spiritual Guidance is Holy, not Discipline). And the Improved version (+80 spellpower) gets overridden by a shaman baseline totem.

    I would like to state, however, that Discipline tends to suck on the Overheal though. A Paladin and a Disc Priest are both healing the same tank. Priest lags, Paladin starts sniping the heals from Disc. Paladin's mana return is from crit directly, whereas Discipline is from effective healing done (not overheal) and damage absorbed. So you can start sucking, badly, if it doesn't work right.
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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelesti

    I would like to state, however, that Discipline tends to suck on the Overheal though. A Paladin and a Disc Priest are both healing the same tank. Priest lags, Paladin starts sniping the heals from Disc. Paladin's mana return is from crit directly, whereas Discipline is from effective healing done (not overheal) and damage absorbed. So you can start sucking, badly, if it doesn't work right.
    I disagree. Shields do no overheal. PoM will likely be used most cooldowns. Pennance is an instant tick etc etc.

    On top of that, if the priest is doing nothing but overheal - then there are clearly too many spamming the tank!

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    Re: Disc priest as tank healer

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff
    The more research I do on specing Disc, the more I keep reading posts saying something like "Bliz has stated that Discipline is a tank healing spec" but after an hour of searching the O boards, I can't find a single blue post or reference where Bliz has stated that. Does someone have a link that you would like to share?
    Discipline - About damage mitigation, utility and single target HPS. It's intended to be a better tank healer.

    Holy - Good single target healer, but more healing utility. Intended to be the AOE healer, or the healer than can react to any situation. Only spec of a class that has an on demand HoT, AOE, Lightwell which players can click to heal themselves, a flash heal, a large greater heal.

    Shadow - Obviously a single target sustained DPS, with Mind Sear now should be one of the strongest AOE classes. Class Designer

    Thats from Koraa, you can see the post for yourself at this link
    http://blue.mmo-champion.com/6/96796...t-changes.html

    There is also another post i've seen where they talk about how they intended for disc to be a tank healer but i can't remember where it was. When you click the link i believe its the 2nd post

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