Upcoming AE DPS and Paladin changes

[hosehead]

Wtf with rogues ? Fan of knives interrupt with a 2 point combat talent... Does that mean they have an interruption with no cooldown ? That doesn't make any sense ! Did GC think about the poor casters who meet a combat dps ?

(very strange that they didn't see that issue...)

It's probably been said (haven't fully read thread) but good luck on that. Energy:Effective ratio is too high. Two FoK's and you're "OOE".

[Zeprot]

Wtf with rogues ? Fan of knives interrupt with a 2 point combat talent... Does that mean they have an interruption with no cooldown ? That doesn't make any sense ! Did GC think about the poor casters who meet a combat dps ?

(very strange that they didn't see that issue...)

Actually, there's a sort of cooldown in the fact that FoK costs 50 energy and rogues get roughly get that much in 5 seconds IF they do very little or don't do anything else (basically just do white damage to you). Not to mention the talent is an INTERRUPT that lasts 3 seconds, which means that you have enough time to cast frost nova, blink, NS, pop pain supression, ect after the silence is over the rogue. Not mention a combat rogue has VERY little protection against snares, all of 4, imp sprint, trinket, and vanish all of which have 2 minute cooldowns at best and cloak of shadows which only has a minute cooldown if you invest in subelty. Popping those cooldowns puts you at a pretty severe disadvatage vs future fears, polymorphs, stuns, etc. So in conclusion, its an aoe kick that costs 5 times as much and costs 37 talent points to get and isn't part of the best damage rogue spec in the game, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

Edit: hosehead basically summed it up before me.

[EndGame]

Compared to how things are now the paladin changes are huge boosts to ret for PVE.

Assuming the judgements of the pure is going to effect all seals/judgements of course here (why has no one talked about that yet?)

Currently can't bubble for 2 min after using wings (so if you are spam using wings you can never bubble) at least now I have a time window I can use bubble in to save my ass.

Also; the change to judgement of the wise is a GREAT boost to paly's since the % will have to go up. Returning 64-120 mana per hit will be useless for everyone. By making it base mana they can up it to, say, 3-4%. That means it effects everyone nearly equally (within reason due to differences in base mana.)

It basically makes it in line with the paladin stuff insofar as it doesn't scale with more gear.... thus.... it needs to be strong enough in it's own right to last a paladin longer.

[turkeyspit]

Compared to how things are now the paladin changes are huge boosts to ret for PVE.

Assuming the judgements of the pure is going to effect all seals/judgements of course here (why has no one talked about that yet?)

Currently can't bubble for 2 min after using wings (so if you are spam using wings you can never bubble) at least now I have a time window I can use bubble in to save my ass.

Also; the change to judgement of the wise is a GREAT boost to paly's since the % will have to go up. Returning 64-120 mana per hit will be useless for everyone. By making it base mana they can up it to, say, 3-4%. That means it effects everyone nearly equally (within reason due to differences in base mana.)

It basically makes it in line with the paladin stuff insofar as it doesn't scale with more gear.... thus.... it needs to be strong enough in it's own right to last a paladin longer.

I agree that it's a boost to PvE Ret, but then imo, it should never have been implemented in the first place. Blizz broke it when they tried to fix it, and this is a partial fix to what they broke.

All they had to do was what they did, which was to change Divine Shield to cut damage to 50%; that alone entirely removes the ability for Arena rets to abuse AW and Divine Shield. The 30 shared cooldown isn't horrible, but it's still unnecessary.

And when is this patch going live btw? How many weeks of Raiding to Rets have to endure with the current broken system?

[EndGame]

I put out top 3 DPS in the current system. Kinda excited to see how things pan out afterwards.

(BTW, I am in a guild that has 10 man malygos down and everything else 25 man down)

[Pyrostemplar]

Here's a better idea. Improve other classes CC.

Too many people exclusively look for sheeping when looking for CC. That is lame. Give Hunters a "shootable net", something that they can use to trap from a distance. Make Priest's "Mind-Control" more reliable, allow the Priest to be bubbled, or dispered, and unattackable during MC. I see Hunters turned down ALL TO OFTEN for CC positions, and the Priest's Mind-Control almost entirely ignored in endgame content.

No, not really a solution. Making classes even more homogeneous is not a good thing.

Currently mages, locks and hunters have more or less the same CC potential, from more powerful and easier to apply but with the less possible targets and a downside to more versatile but harder to pull off. Rogues are pretty high also. Priests have the most powerful one but it is very limited and dangerous - for a good reason. Making it more powerful/reliable would possibly break many encounters.

Hunters are only turned down because of huntards. They are enough of an easy mode class already and tbqh I'd rate them above any other class regarding CC, taking into account pet OT.

[Quaitgor]

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...&pageNo=23#445

new Palataunt now got a name

[Sarevokcz]

12 seconds of immunity in an 8-12 minute boss fight is serious business?

Trust me when I say this, Cloak of Skill is far more useful in a boss fight then DS.

in 8-12 min boss it would be more like 24-36s of imunity

anyway, bubble is hardly OP for PvE, its just one of the extremely useful tolls for removing some bad debuffs

[Svenskpally]

Divine Shield: Penalty changed so that all damage done is reduced by 50% instead of a attack speed penalty.Divine Protection no longer causes an attack penalty. Divine Shield's penalty was changed to 50% less damage done by the paladin.
I rather have the attackspeed penalty. Even if i can use AW while i am bubbled i would just loose dmg. (as ret) but for the holypaladins it is some nice stuff in pvp.

Edit: Nvm I should have read it more carefully.
Big Pally nerfs -.- i feel bad for the holy pallys that takes nerfs that are aimed for rets -.-