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    Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    I just couldn't believe when I went to maxdps.com that almost all our top 5 -10 dps items for dps increase is cloth.....

    Understandably there is far more need for cloth spellcaster gear compared to us but really the imbalance is staggering. Check it out, you will see what I mean, cloth greens better than epic leathers...sad.

    My thoughts not yours..

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck


    Sorry, I am a recent balance convert.

    Why would I not want cloth?

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by Ntrails
    Sorry, I am a recent balance convert.

    Why would I not want cloth?
    No reason. Leather has itemization points spent on armor, so it's worse in almost every case. AC only matters for PvP.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by loder
    No reason. Leather has itemization points spent on armor, so it's worse in almost every case. AC only matters for PvP.
    Wrong. There are no itemization points spent on armor unless it's bonus armor (usually appears in green).

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by loder
    AC only matters for PvP.
    That is how I see it. Since I am never getting pounded on by melee in PvE* - I would wear a plastic bag with 0 armour if it had enough caster stats on it...


    *Maxing DPS means raids, maybe groups, ergo tanked mobs or over aggro failage in which case I deserve to die like the casting fool I am.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by Lathios
    I just couldn't believe when I went to maxdps.com that almost all our top 5 -10 dps items for dps increase is cloth.....

    Understandably there is far more need for cloth spellcaster gear compared to us but really the imbalance is staggering. Check it out, you will see what I mean, cloth greens better than epic leathers...sad.

    My thoughts not yours..
    1) Armor value does not matter
    2) MaxDPS is dodgy, it does not even apply a dps rating to spirit which makes me beleive it has not been fully updated to include Improved Moonkin Form and possibly other updates as well.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by Yon
    Wrong. There are no itemization points spent on armor unless it's bonus armor (usually appears in green).
    There are several items in the game (WotLK) which say YOU are wrong.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by loder
    There are several items in the game (WotLK) which say YOU are wrong.
    Examples please.

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    in soviet russia, mods troll you!

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by Degrador
    Examples please.
    I'll post them when I have time to go scouring through wowhead. I do know I saw several of these items as I was gearing my druid in heroics.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    I'd be interested too. It additionally would be neccessary to look if there weren't any cloth pieces that were low on stats for their respective itemlevel and slot modifier as well to make an actual case.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by loder
    There are several items in the game (WotLK) which say YOU are wrong.
    Umm, no.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    I'd just not listen to MaxDPS. I've done a lot as a moonkin, and find a lot of its numbers off. First, it ignores spirit, and with recent changes you have to look at this, for both spell damage and we cannot chain pot anymore, so if you have any mana issue you have to ignore most of the site. Second, even pre-wrath, it overvalued haste for moonkins, so the formulas that are used are pretty far off as well. Try looking at elitistjerks or looking at a calculator like Rawr for more accurate info. In a few cases though, cloth will come out higher. Part of it is your preference.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    MaxDPS is true if you're playing on some 2.4 private server.

    It doesn't really cut it for Wrath.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    Quote Originally Posted by loder
    I'll post them when I have time to go scouring through wowhead. I do know I saw several of these items as I was gearing my druid in heroics.
    This seems to go against all previous experience, and against what most guides report about itemization points:
    http://www.allakhazam.com/wiki/Itemization_Formulas_(WoW)
    http://www.wowwiki.com/Item_level#Armor_Values

    Quote Originally Posted by Chronalis
    in soviet russia, mods troll you!

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    At this time it looks like the Druid dps lists (both feral and balance) hasnt been updated for Wrath. Might have to wait a bit.

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    Re: Cloth for Boomer Maxdps...yuck

    MaxDPS about moonkins is a joke atm.

    I put in my gear stats in the calculator. Took all the 25-man buffs (btw arcane focus not included on the site) and it ended u with saying that I should have ~1100 DPS. Considering I dished out 1800-2300 DPS at 70 shows it's not really updated.

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