Sigils/Librams

[EbGbZ]

So they have plans to fix sigils for DKs already after less than 2 months of active gameplay but we have been asking for a Libram fix since TBC and just before it.

Has there been any word and/or sign that we will ever get a Libram that compares to the engineering gun that warriors now get? close to 100 stam 20+ def and 20+ hit rating?

[Dreamkeeper]

I'd MUCH prefer to have stamina, defense, and hit or expertise than what we have now;

i totally agree , it seems ill never get the stamina our warrior has because of the gun , we have same gear , same enchants etc but that stupid gun >

I would love a libram thats just even the same stats ..

[b37x]

This is the paladin sub-forum. DK forum is here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?board=26.0.

If your gripe is about stats, then you're worrying over nothing. Back when there were no Librams, Idols, or Totems (the equipable kind) blizzard figured that the ranged weapon slot would simply be empty for three classes (paladins, druids, and shaman). So since we didn't have an item in that slot, our set gear was itemized with a slightly higher budget to compensate.

But players kept looking at that empty ranged weapon slot and making sad eyes at blizzard developers. The devs didn't want to give these classes ranged weapon and they didn't want to adjust tier item budgets. Instead they designed items that modified our abilities similar to an equipable talent or glyph.

That said, they really should have made more DK Sigils.

[Dreamkeeper]

This is the paladin sub-forum. DK forum is here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?board=26.0.

If your gripe is about stats, then you're worrying over nothing. Back when there were no Librams, Idols, or Totems (the equipable kind) blizzard figured that the ranged weapon slot would simply be empty for three classes (paladins, druids, and shaman). So since we didn't have an item in that slot, our set gear was itemized with a slightly higher budget to compensate.

But players kept looking at that empty ranged weapon slot and making sad eyes at blizzard developers. The devs didn't want to give these classes ranged weapon and they didn't want to adjust tier item budgets. Instead they designed items that modified our abilities similar to an equipable talent or glyph.

That said, they really should have made more DK Sigils.

If you read the whole thing it was more about Librams then way over sigils .....

[Knighthonor]

what change is being made to Sigil?

[gallamann]

This is the paladin sub-forum. DK forum is here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?board=26.0.

If your gripe is about stats, then you're worrying over nothing. Back when there were no Librams, Idols, or Totems (the equipable kind) blizzard figured that the ranged weapon slot would simply be empty for three classes (paladins, druids, and shaman). So since we didn't have an item in that slot, our set gear was itemized with a slightly higher budget to compensate.

But players kept looking at that empty ranged weapon slot and making sad eyes at blizzard developers. The devs didn't want to give these classes ranged weapon and they didn't want to adjust tier item budgets. Instead they designed items that modified our abilities similar to an equipable talent or glyph.

That said, they really should have made more DK Sigils.

Bullshavick

As Ret or Prot, we wear identical gear to warriors, only differences would be in set gear.

Warrior (25 man T7)

9335 AC
385 Str
495 Sta
86 Armor Pene
116 Expertise
326 Crit rating
108 Hit rating
0 Haste rating
Meta
3 red
2 yellow
2 blue

Ret Paladin

9335 AC
397 Str
472 Sta
0 Armor Pene
0 Expertise
259 Crit rating
83 hit rating
270 haste rating
meta
3 red
3 yellow
1 blue

Thats a difference of;

0 AC
+13 Str
-23 Sta
-86 Armor Pene
-116 Expertise
-67 Crit Rating
-25 Hit rating
+270 Haste rating
+1 yellow
-1 blue

Lets ignore gem slots, same number just one difference in color.

Net all the above stats, Ret paladin is still -34 behind warrior.

Now said warrior can equip Nerubian Conquerer http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39419

+31 Agi
+30 Sta
+21 Crit Rating
+64 AP

Said Paladin can get Libram of Radiance http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40191

Crusader Strike is +115.5 damage

So the ret paladins gets something that can benefit him at best once every 6 seconds for one skill. While warrior gets bumps to 4 different stats that help increase damage for every single skill used.

Relics, have been and continue to be complete CRAP. Your arguement that our gear has more stats is complete CRAP.

Silver

[EbGbZ]

No doubt our gear is seriously deficient in many ways has same number of gemslots and we need more hit than warriors and yet we get raped on our gear in comparison to theirs and screwed out of a gear slot... how is that remotely balanced... and they are a hybrid class too mind you.

[EbGbZ]

Bump cause dks just got better sigils and we still have crap....

Blizzard needs to let us choose between relics and ranged weapons

[Soad0488]

It has only been one month....

and to be fair the greater majority of DK's are still is using the starting Sigil.

there are a total of like 4? in game.

Atleast we have options.



http://www.wowhead.com/?search=libram

http://www.wowhead.com/?search=sigil


Look there, then complain.

[Slizarus]

This is the paladin sub-forum. DK forum is here: http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?board=26.0.

If your gripe is about stats, then you're worrying over nothing. Back when there were no Librams, Idols, or Totems (the equipable kind) blizzard figured that the ranged weapon slot would simply be empty for three classes (paladins, druids, and shaman). So since we didn't have an item in that slot, our set gear was itemized with a slightly higher budget to compensate.

But players kept looking at that empty ranged weapon slot and making sad eyes at blizzard developers. The devs didn't want to give these classes ranged weapon and they didn't want to adjust tier item budgets. Instead they designed items that modified our abilities similar to an equipable talent or glyph.

That said, they really should have made more DK Sigils.

That was also back when Rogue gear had Strength on it..

And the One set fits all..

Really doesn't cut it anymore.

[monalin]

Maybe instead of fixing pally's they take the ranged slot away from warriors? The number of librams we can attain is significantly lower than available ranged weapons. They do not scale as raids go up typically the emblem librams we get are the only epic ones I've found currently. Are there more in future raids? Not that i know of...

[b37x]

Well according to gallamann, the Paladin T7 set is already under item budget. So it's time to either buff Librams (and Totems/Idols/Sigils) or just switch to pure stats.

[Macanam]

Thats a difference of;

0 AC
+13 Str
-23 Sta
-86 Armor Pene
-116 Expertise
-67 Crit Rating
-25 Hit rating
+270 Haste rating
+1 yellow
-1 blue

Man, i sure do love my haste. It's definitely a lot better than having expertise, hit or crit rating.

[Jerazznor]

Man, i sure do love my haste. It's definitely a lot better than having expertise, hit or crit rating.

Yup.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40706

I love how our badge libram is the biggest peice of shit ever. Not only is it JoC, the PVP/soloing seal where damage doesnt matter, but it is fucking haste. Even crit or AP or more damage would at least be more useful for PVP. But nope, they had haste. GG itemization... again.

[Vampyrr]

No doubt our gear is seriously deficient in many ways has same number of gemslots and we need more hit than warriors and yet we get raped on our gear in comparison to theirs and screwed out of a gear slot... how is that remotely balanced... and they are a hybrid class too mind you.

Newsflash if a warrior is a hybrid then so are paladins.

[Darthphyre]

a few things to remember, we dont' know what form the sigils will increase and may be no more a band-aid than librams have sorta been (to be read as covering the problem rather than being a solution)

Second as GC has pointed out, ath this stage in our game, they aren't going to give us an easy go-to itemization, they're putting less than desireable stats on gear so that gear choice is just that... a choice.

I do feel for you guys though pallies, I was a prot pally with exactly the same concerns (and no that's not why I moved to dk, I just have always wanted a 2-hander tank) but hopefully we can share in our concerns and they will be heard and adjusted for.