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    Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Demonology

    Demonic Knowledge now Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 3/6/9% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect. (Down from 4/8/12%)Demonic Tactics now Increases melee and spell critical strike chance for you and your summoned demon by 1/2/3/4/5%. (Down from 2/4/6/8/10%)
    Demonic Empathy now affects all spells for 15 seconds. (Old - 3 next spells)
    Demonic Pact now increases spell power by 10% of your spell damage. (Up from 2%)

    How dare we think that Demo spec of any kind could actually be usefull.

    /sigh. really getting tired of this tbh. Srsly thinking of retiring my lock

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Gumber
    Demonology

    Demonic Knowledge now Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 3/6/9% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect. (Down from 4/8/12%)Demonic Tactics now Increases melee and spell critical strike chance for you and your summoned demon by 1/2/3/4/5%. (Down from 2/4/6/8/10%)
    Demonic Empathy now affects all spells for 15 seconds. (Old - 3 next spells)
    Demonic Pact now increases spell power by 10% of your spell damage. (Up from 2%)

    How dare we think that Demo spec of any kind could actually be usefull.

    /sigh. really getting tired of this tbh. Srsly thinking of retiring my lock

    Ya but at least it only takes 1 shard to summon everybody /wrists

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    seriously, i've respec'ed about 3 times before this expansion, once for pvp. then again when i started seriously raiding.

    since this expansion ive respecced about 15 times. Finally settling with 0/41/30 because that one talent increasing crit was the only thing keeping me on par with any of the other dps. I dont understand the reasoning for this 50% talent nerf, nor do they explain why they felt the need to do that.

    Even with the 10% crit increase most locks dont go over 30% crit, something a rogue can do sleeping, and hit twice as fast as us. Same goes for a dk, or warrior, who also got their hit rating buffed. So....point of the nerf was?


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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by conscript
    Ya but at least it only takes 1 shard to summon everybody /wrists
    LOL... they keep this up and their won't be any locks around to summon people.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    I'm gonna relax the next weeks/months with my warlock and just use it to get the Loremaster Achievement, then I think I'll turn to my paladin instead. I really enjoyed FG/Emberstorm, easy to use, good numbers and not having to focus until I get a headache.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    I suggest we just boycott summons, let see what happens when lazy bastards have to actually remember where gluth is in naxx. or just let them die to the tube/frogger boss combination. get 3 tanks to QQ that they had to walk 5 feet, and the story changes

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Gumber
    Demonology

    Demonic Knowledge now Increases your spell damage by an amount equal to 3/6/9% of the total of your active demon's Stamina plus Intellect. (Down from 4/8/12%)Demonic Tactics now Increases melee and spell critical strike chance for you and your summoned demon by 1/2/3/4/5%. (Down from 2/4/6/8/10%)
    Demonic Empathy now affects all spells for 15 seconds. (Old - 3 next spells)
    Demonic Pact now increases spell power by 10% of your spell damage. (Up from 2%)

    How dare we think that Demo spec of any kind could actually be usefull.

    /sigh. really getting tired of this tbh. Srsly thinking of retiring my lock
    If what you said about Demonic Pact is true, that mean's it will over power shaman's totems? 5 points deep = 50% spell damage increase? More utility??? IDK, prolly worthless, I already quit playing my lock / altogether. Expac blows, same game, locks got worse, no fun anymore.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    TBH blizzard needs to diaf. I declared my lock as my main for wrath to raid and now im stuck with a toon that is continuely screwed with. Im not complaining about my dps or my pvpability, just the fact the blizzard continuely fails. We were far to OP in TBC end game pve, i mean c'mon I could do more than 2k dps watching porn (ok well not porn but it gets the point across) and then fail blizzard comes along and instead of putting us at a lvl that is decent and on par with other classes and requires us to use some skill at least they rail us with a rusty pole then when we figure that out they change it again, and again, and again. FU blizz. No wonder I'm the last of a dying breed of warlocks on my server.
    /end rant. sorry i can only read so many lock posts before i end up ranting!
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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Where in the notes does it say Demonic Pact was changed, I dont see anything about it.
    ALso, Blizz just buffed these talents why are they so quick to destroy them, we wer not producing OP damage, in fact I was doing very reasonable damage with this build. Tied with mages and well below the OP hunters.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    So they just recently buffed Demonic Tactics to 10% (among other talents) due to Warlocks having lower DPS than other classes etc- saw that a large portion of Warlocks were speccing 0/41/30 for its easy rotation, decent damage and stat boosts and decided that they didn’t like Warlocks not going deeper into Demo/Destro?

    /boggle

    Im speccing for Fire Destro PvP- at least thats fun...
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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by V
    TBH blizzard needs to diaf. I declared my lock as my main for wrath to raid and now im stuck with a toon that is continuely screwed with. Im not complaining about my dps or my pvpability, just the fact the blizzard continuely fails. We were far to OP in TBC end game pve, i mean c'mon I could do more than 2k dps watching porn (ok well not porn but it gets the point across) and then fail blizzard comes along and instead of putting us at a lvl that is decent and on par with other classes and requires us to use some skill at least they rail us with a rusty pole then when we figure that out they change it again, and again, and again. FU blizz. No wonder I'm the last of a dying breed of warlocks on my server.
    /end rant. sorry i can only read so many lock posts before i end up ranting!
    No man... your bang on. It's just stupid imo. I really wish they would simply come out and say:

    Warlocks: For Lich King we want all locks to spec Affliction and stay with it. If you don't like Affliction, please re-roll to a different class.

    ^^ Seems what they are trying to do.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    This is something I discussed when the increase to Shadow Mastery, Demonic Tactics, and Emberstorm were announced:

    Demonic Tactics + Improved Demonic Tactics + Minimal gear = 100% uptime of Demonic Pact
    This is not something I would say is intended. Expect a change later to increase demonology dps somehow but leave demo tactics as 10%.

    The demonic knowledge nerf was unexpected.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by Gumber
    No man... your bang on. It's just stupid imo. I really wish they would simply come out and say:

    Warlocks: For Lich King we want all locks to spec Affliction and stay with it. If you don't like Affliction, please re-roll to a different class.

    ^^ Seems what they are trying to do.
    I don't understand how you could possibly reach this conclusion, unless you enjoy doomsaying and pessimism?

    All specs are viable. One does more dps than the rest. One spec has to. Are all mages Frostfire? No. Are all shamans Enhancement? No.

    Pick something you enjoy and turn off the damn meters.

    R.I.P. YARG

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    whoa whoa whered did you read that and wtf i thought blizzard was going to be helping us out if they understand we are having problems with the last nerf bat they gave us ;x

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    never mind I see it they just upadated the home

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    can't turn your meter off when everyone else in the raid is going to give you burning questions about your dps, despite your best efforts to nail every rotation down. Death Knight in 80 blues shouldnt be ahead of a lock in naxx gear, especially if said death knight is a tard

    as much as youd like to say enjoy the game, its kinda hard if youre a serious raider and cant perform as well as you can compared to every other class. When placed with a decision between a lock and anyone else, the ability to summon shouldnt be the deciding factor. Like i said, take away the summoning. People will start to notice that we are under-powered.

    Blizz said they dont want people relying on hybrid specs, but before you destroy one make sure the other one works. Deep Destro is lawl, afflic is good, but we all know the roation issues. Even with my rotation perfected i was still being beat by melee dps on boss fights. I take pride in the fact that i understand how my lock works, and it upsets me when people start asking about your skill because despite your best efforts, it doesnt register in the form of damage.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    I have had faith up until now, gone. I think they have a dartboard with nerfs and buffs that they just throw at concerning locks. This wave of changes in no way addresses what the previously acknowledged warlock issues.

    If the hybrid spec was feared to become too powerful down the line then they should buff tiers 8-10, not nerf the mid tiers. Theses changes not only hurt the hybrid, they remove a deep demo's DPS viability. They must think that Demonic knowledge would scale too much as our white stats improved, but honestly its one of the few scalars demo has.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Quote Originally Posted by gherkin
    I don't understand how you could possibly reach this conclusion, unless you enjoy doomsaying and pessimism?

    All specs are viable. One does more dps than the rest. One spec has to. Are all mages Frostfire? No. Are all shamans Enhancement? No.

    Pick something you enjoy and turn off the damn meters.
    See you say that yet the comparisons are not equal. Mages have a CC ability, Shamans now have a CC and are able to Off-heal in a pinch. Locks have... DPS, and really DPS only.

    Since Wrath I have had A LOT more problems getting into raids/heroics simply due to my EQUAL dps. Why would a group leader with given the choice between a Lock, Mage, and Shaman have any reason to take a Lock now?

    If anything Locks should have a slight DPS advantage over every other class to make up for our lack of utility.

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    Just when i found happiness in the warlock again :'( this truly is the end of 0/41/30 sigh beefing up conflag and nerfing demo is their solution to warlocks >_<

    I always wanted to try 0/20/51 but i wasnt expecting for it to be the only decision other then affliction >_<

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    Re: Goodbye 0/41/30. GG Blizz :(

    It is really tough to be optimistic about warlocks. I really don't want to to go to my Rogue or Druid. My warlock was my first 60,70, and 80. Since TBC every time a new patch notes come out i prey for something. Will my prayers ever be answered? All we get is nerf after nerf after nerf.

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