Prot Specs

[Heavenlyhell]

I'd like to start a new discussion on Level 80 Prot pally specs.

Currently my spec is
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...h=000000000000

To me it makes sense to get Seals of the Pure to add to Seal of Corruptions damage. Also I specced into 3% to crit instead of Imp judgements simply for my rotation. With Imp Judgements it seems to me that too many things were on similar cd's and this just works better for me.

Love to see some thoughts,

HH

[Offhand]

This is the bare bones prot spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAcuMteIRhoxo

Pushing threat via SotP or conviction is excessive in terms of threat gen. Your remaining points will depend on group make up/size etc.

Someone else should be taking kings. Depending on what other paladins you have, imp might or heart of the crusader could be advisable.

[Draco cracona]

You need 1/2 imp. judgement for an optimal rotation, I personally take 2/2 as there's a filler if you want conviction/PoJ; BoK depends on your raid, it's not like the reckoning/imp. HoJ/stoicism etc you give up is actually useful - reckoning ONLY has a non-negligible affect on TPS when AoE applying SoV, and for 10 and sometimes 25 mans you have only one paladin (quite annoyed the other tanks in BC by not having kings on the one singular time there was just me in a 25 man raid, even with one healadin not all of them have it as wel usually have a lot of them). ATM speccing for threat is excessive so I'm the following: http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...h=181201050000.

[Lumidar]

i like how the above person says 1/2 imp judgement yet doesn't get that.

here's mine:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAcuMteIRGots0x

I got Crit instead of Seals of Pure. Since they've nerfed seals and judgements the extra 15% is minimal and not alot compared to spells that can crit (Avenger's Shield, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of Righteousness, Exorcism, Holy Wrath)

[monalin]

i like how the above person says 1/2 imp judgement yet doesn't get that.

here's mine:

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xVAcuMteIRGots0x

I got Crit instead of Seals of Pure. Since they've nerfed seals and judgements the extra 15% is minimal and not alot compared to spells that can crit (Avenger's Shield, Judgement, Hammer of the Righteous, Shield of Righteousness, Exorcism, Holy Wrath)

mine is the same but right now i have kings instead of conviction because i'm the only pally running my 10 mans in 25 man raids i would drop kings and let some holy pally or ret pick it up so i can keep sanct on myself and the other tanks.

[Deleted]

My build
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sV0bZ0eVA0uMteIRhoxf

max staying alive power, threat is not an issue. Taking the JoJ is not so usefull, it doesnt stack with any other effects of that kind. Also.. 20% of somthing like a 3.0 speed is not much... (0.6 seconds )

i went for fear reduction, theres nothing wrose than getting feared, then haveing a boss crit u on the back 4 times....

[Wolves]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=scZ0xVAcuMteIRGoxf00b

Dropped Kings because i always have a paladin who can do it for me and took up PoJ for those few fights where run speed is useful (Anub'Rekhan f.e). Imp HoJ is useful in fights against spell casters to mitigate a little more damage and i dont really consider any of the other talents at that tier to be as good as that one.

[Lumidar]

i went for fear reduction, theres nothing wrose than getting feared, then haveing a boss crit u on the back 4 times....

that might've been an issue with crushing blows but being crit immune means you can't be crit no matter what side the mob hits you on.

[Offhand]

PoJ is really useful on any running fight. We don't have a charge.

EDIT: I meant useful not useless. Thankfully no one pointed it out.

[Heavenlyhell]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=scZ0xVAcuMteIRGoxf00b

Dropped Kings because i always have a paladin who can do it for me and took up PoJ for those few fights where run speed is useful (Anub'Rekhan f.e). Imp HoJ is useful in fights against spell casters to mitigate a little more damage and i dont really consider any of the other talents at that tier to be as good as that one.

What fights are you using HoJ in? I don't see the need for Imp hammer of justice on a boss fight.

It looks like from the discussion, it really comes down to what your guild/raid needs you to spec is the best spec. Personally I don't think i would ever get rid of reckoning. I'm surprised there aren't a lot more ppl using it since there are extra talent points avail for it.

[Heavenlyhell]

Say your raid needs you to spec for JotJ (say you don't have a warrior for TC in the guild/on that night). They may "need" that effect to maximise the chance you'll succeed.
Also imagine they need the HotC debuff on the target for the same reason.
Now imagine the boss tends to stun a lot, you'll want Stoicism too!

I don't think you're making me look bad, but I don't really see how I contradicted myself.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=scZ0xVAcuMteIRGoxf00b

Take the above spec as a reference. If you took the points out of SotP, Imp Hoj, and PoJ, you could meet all of your examples by getting 3/3 Stoicism, JotJ, HotC, and 5/5 reck.

So far from the discussion, most have ruled out the need for SotP since TPS isn't an issue. Imp Hoj isn't needed on boss fights, IMO this is needed for PVP only because you cannot stun a boss. once again IMO, PoJ could make trash mobs easier with the disarm reduction, but truly not a need for bosses. You could argue that PoJ would help with Heigen the Unclean, but the rest of the raid is doing it without a movement buff, why can't we?

Like I said earlier, I like reckoning. I'm surprised more pallys don't spec into it.

[Dewkstraykr]

The main reason many pallies dont spec into reckoning is that the chance of getting parry-gibbed goes up every time reckoning procs. With a low expertise value expect to hasten at least a few of the bosses attacks every extra hit you get with reckoning = dead paladin.

[DaveTheHunter]

The main reason many pallies dont spec into reckoning is that the chance of getting parry-gibbed goes up every time reckoning procs. With a low expertise value expect to hasten at least a few of the bosses attacks every extra hit you get with reckoning = dead paladin.

parry-gib = myth

Parry haste has never been an issue for a tankadin. The biggest reason for the infamous "parry-gib" was receiving a crushing blow on a parry hasted attack. Since tankadins in the past have always been able to be uncrushable (ie. 102.4% miss/dodge/parry/block) 100% of the time, and are still able to achieve the same, we can never take a full unblocked hit. With the exception of being stunned, feared, etc. of course. This mechanic allows us to take significantly less dmg over the course of a boss fight and also reduces the chance of the so called parry gib to a negligable amount.

I don't take Reckoning because when using Seal of Corruption/Vengeance all it's adding is some extra white dmg. If you're going to put some points in a talent for threat go with Seals of the Pure or Conviction, not Reckoning. Reckoning is just... bad.

[Offhand]

Parry gib was also a myth mainly because prot used to have nothing in the way of physical attacks. This is not the case anymore. Reckoning is still a lackluster talent for anything but AoE grinding.

[r3i]

Here's mine.

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?pala...h=000000000000

Reckoning is useless, no threat problems anyway. 1/2 Imp Judgements for optimal 96969-rotation. Our retribution paladins use Heart of the Crusader so no need to take it. Divine Guardian is more usefull than other talents I've skipped.

[Iselian]

r3i has it down. Threat isn't, and shouldn't ever be a problem (besides gimmick fights), so the threat talents are personal choices. Otherwise it's solid.