Thread: 3.0.8 Changes, Blue posts, Dark Legacy

I checked on the level requirements for the Inscription offhands on the PTR.

Book of Clever Tricks - lvl 60
Hellfire Tome - lvl 60
Manual of Clouds - lvl 50
Stormbound Tome - lvl 50
Book of Stars - lvl 40
Fire Eater's Guide - lvl 40
Royal Guide of Escape Routes - lvl 30
Tome of Kings - lvl 30
Book of Survival - lvl 20
Tome of the Dawn - lvl 20
Mystic Tome - lvl 15

Originally Posted by Mushin

A ROBOTIC CHICKEN. Where do you have eng, etc.

And which of these 2 is better now? The quest reward.

The battle chicken is utterly useless for PvP, PvE because obvious reasons so all you have is the "novelity" (as much as you can speak of it considering it is a vanilla wow item) of a robot chicken following you around.

And lets compare there.
Eng: 1.5 min duration, 20 min cooldown, requires bag & trinket slot.
Quest: unlimited duration, no cooldown.

Blizzard said months ago that they considered the tailoring/eng pieces in BC too powerful and a mistake.

Actually they only gave stunherald and frozen shadowweave as examples there, they never ever mentioned eng.
To the contrary actually, they stated that they thought the eng nerf from vanilla wow -> BC was a little too big and that they wanted to fix it.

Of cource, they decided to "nerf" the epic crafteables of all profs, but the thing is: All other profs *exept* engineering got compensated for that. The dragons eyes of JC, the 2 extra gem sockets of BS, the bracer enchants of LW,... (well, almost every other prof - tailoring isn#t too well of either, but it is still in a better place than eng)

Your so "great" hyperspeed glove enchants are an average haste rating of 32 over time, thats compared to the regular glove enchants no major boost. BS & JC can get that much *and* the glove enchants. And of cource they can finetune their bonuses too and are not stuck with haste which isn't usefull for many class/specs.

When you look at leatherworking their bracer enchants are designed that way that their power is including the normal bracer enchants (i.e. the LW stam bracer enchant - the new 40 stam regular bracer enchant = ~the stam bonus you cna get from BS or JC).
This loss of the enchant bonus is what hasn't been included in the eng glove bonus and that is part of the problem. The other one is the lack of any variety of tinkers (tinkers which are better than regular enchants, mind you. A cloak parachute enchant is pretty useless outside arathi basin.).

I went through every single tier of BC content wearing goggles and personally I got a little sick of them.

My guild is still using BC-era repair bots, and I'm partial to the Hyperspeed Accelerators. Engineering has never offered large raid benefits - if you took it for the goggles you're an idiot and deserve your sub-standard BoP gear.
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Originally Posted by Psykhe

And which of these 2 is better now? The quest reward.

"Engineering makes a fun robot chicken!"
"No it doesn't, you're stupid"
~link to robot chicken made by engineering~
"Ok it makes a robot chicken, but I'm still right because it's not a level 80 robot chicken"

Originally Posted by Psykhe

Actually they only gave stunherald and frozen shadowweave as examples there, they never ever mentioned eng.
To the contrary actually, they stated that they thought the eng nerf from vanilla wow -> BC was a little too big and that they wanted to fix it.

I never read one about stunherald being too good for raiding, just a generic one about BoP crafted items being better than raid gear. There was no "engineering nerf" from vanilla to BC - engineering got tons of items that were actually useful beyond being just toys: it just wasn't useful in Arenas after having previously established itself as "the pvp profession" thanks to grenade stuns.

Originally Posted by Psykhe

Of cource, they decided to "nerf" the epic crafteables of all profs, but the thing is: All other profs *exept* engineering got compensated for that.

Won't argue with that. It's 100% true.

Originally Posted by Psykhe

Your so "great" hyperspeed glove enchants are an average haste rating of 32 over time, thats compared to the regular glove enchants no major boost.

I never described it as "great". I said I personally liked it. Yeah, if you put blowing it into a macro it's only 32 haste over time. As a healer I don't do those kind of things or evaluate gear that way - I save cooldowns for when I need them.

Originally Posted by Psykhe

A cloak parachute enchant is pretty useless outside arathi basin.

It owns on a PvP server. Have you ever seen a druid jump off one of Wrath's many many cliffs, knowing they will drop out of combat to shift to flight form and escape? I follow them off.

Originally Posted by Cho

The engineering tanking helm you change already for 4 horsemen (10) or t7 ... stop QQ, plx. Lets them take care about much more serious problems ..

There are 3 engineering issues:
1) the bizarre is that there was no Healing plate goggles and some issue with druids IIRC. I don't understand how those could have been left out or it take so long to fix.
2) the troubling is that the l80 goggles aren't out yet (i.e. as the JB 3000 replaced the 2000. ) If it weren't Bliz and engineering, then one would just wait patiently without worry for 3.1
3) The fatal problem is that bliz said it wanted to make all professions viable. Yet Engineering and IIRC tailoring are not, there is nothing in engineering comparable to the ring enchants, JC only gems, BS-only sockets, etc. that add about 38 sp. They need to renounce the goal of making all professions viable or add something to engineering.

Originally Posted by Guran

Isn't the full rep you get from Furbolgs 5 for normal and 15/20 for bosses?

Appartenly they changed that from 5 to 20 ^^

You can now get full reputation gains from grey monsters, for exemple you will get 20 Reputation points for killing normal monsters while grinding your Timbermaw Hold reputation.

QQ...shortly after i finish my timbermaw rep grind they decide to double all rep gains, and now this...Hopefully it works in AQ 40 as well so that I can get the full 2.5k from killing c'thun instead of just 500.