vengance stacking 5 times taken away on ptr?

[meliancill]

welp i was on the front page of mmo looking threw the blue posts and i found somthing i didnt like. aparently they have taken away our 5 stacking vengence on the ptr... does anyone els have any information on this or was it just one of those changes blizz does were they do it but "forget" to tell us about it.

[xCyniCx]

Ghostcrawler stated that Vengeance will remain 3 stacks.

[meliancill]

are they doing anything to make up for the 6% lack of dps? or is that just dps that they are taking away all together.

[xCyniCx]

For this patch there seems to be nothing Blizz is doing to our PvE dps.

Nevertheless, Ghostcrawler said in another blue post that the current Ret dps is the dps Blizz wants us to do, so I guess we have to expect something for patch 3.1 as with the lauch of Ulduar there won't be that undeads around. Again, we'll have to wait and see...

[Sartecho]

As far as I know they're still leaving the buff to seal of the martyr/blood. 27% weapon dmg instead of 22%.

[Venara]

http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/1431...tack-veng.html

Nothing else to say about this topic.

[ShinKosh]

Isnt the SoBlood "buff" actually just a tool tip fix? On live it is doing 27% wepdmg atm?

On thr bright side, after the patch isnt glyphed SoCasino now the win for dps? Im sure I heard that somewhere.

[blupp74]

Isnt the SoBlood "buff" actually just a tool tip fix? On live it is doing 27% wepdmg atm?

On thr bright side, after the patch isnt glyphed SoCasino now the win for dps? Im sure I heard that somewhere.

I have the glyph (if you're talking about the one that makes SoC chance to proc increase by 20%) and no, SoC is NOT better than SoB/M, even with the glyph.

[Hatsuyuki]

I'm pretty sure they'll change it back to 5 if ret is not doing enough damage in Ulduar :P

[Aloysius]

Isnt the SoBlood "buff" actually just a tool tip fix? On live it is doing 27% wepdmg atm?

On thr bright side, after the patch isnt glyphed SoCasino now the win for dps? Im sure I heard that somewhere.

This has been addressed a ton of times on these and EJ's forums.

The short version:

SoB/SotM was hotfixed in 3.0.3 to do 27%. This is just a tooltip update in the next patch. Without vengeance stacking to 5 times, we are not getting any kind of buff.

No, even with the patch and glyph, SoC is NOT better than SoB/SotM. That was also postulated on these forums but is incorrect.

[Palatinus]

And just for the record, you can't really call this a nerf, since we never had vengeance at 15%(in wotlk).

Blizzard realises that our damage will be lower in uldar, due to the lack of undead, and therefore it was most likely a test to see what our damage will be like in other places (naxx, pvp e.t.c) if they decided to buff ret's damage this way.

[Swampmoose]

Yes, there will not be any buffs in the upcoming patch as a lot of earlier posts led us to believe. Simply a few changes in tool tips to show what we already have, and to correct PTR display errors. There is no nerf as there are just display errors. Oh well, I am jumping for joy over the new ranged tagging ability so I can certainly live without buffs.

[Illusionaryghost]

What’s interesting is that it wasn’t only ret pallies who used that seal. I’ve seen prot pallies use it before to help with threat gain and it works. So basically dropping the stacking to 5 to 3 is not only screwing one spec, but two. Nice.

I wish they would focus more on giving paladins 2 more skills that could be used in place of exorism and holy wrath when the target isn’t a demon or undead. It’s rather stupid to penalize them even more when the next content comes out and guess what, there’s not enough undead/demons mobs for you to use those two skills you have.

Sigh. I wish Blizzard would focus on the other classes and stop messing around with paladins.

[Scorpiodrush]

What’s interesting is that it wasn’t only ret pallies who used that seal. I’ve seen prot pallies use it before to help with threat gain and it works. So basically dropping the stacking to 5 to 3 is not only screwing one spec, but two. Nice.

I wish they would focus more on giving paladins 2 more skills that could be used in place of exorism and holy wrath when the target isn’t a demon or undead. It’s rather stupid to penalize them even more when the next content comes out and guess what, there’s not enough undead/demons mobs for you to use those two skills you have.

Sigh. I wish Blizzard would focus on the other classes and stop messing around with paladins.

Your misunderstanding. It's not the Seal of Vengeance 5stack vengeance debuff that is set to 3, that will remain at 5. The veneance they are Referring to is the Deep Ret Talent that stacks when you crit. Currently set to 3 stacks of 3% damage increases each, totaling 9%. In BC this was set to 15% at 5 stack. That is the Vengeance they are refering too. WE are not being nerfed as it is already a 3 stack on live. It's just a tooltip error they are correcting.

[Illusionaryghost]

Oh dear, I did mis read that.  :-[ Thanks for the correction. (corrected for typo)