Holy build feedback?

[Pwonatizer]

Can I get a couple of feedbacks on my planned spec once I hit 80? (PVE)

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...000000000#none

[Firecrest]

Sigh. This build is bad.

Sacred Cleansing is a PvP skill. It's not useful in PvE.

You need Enlightened Judgments. There's no way you can conceivably expect to be within 10 yards of the boss at all times.

Nine points in the Ret Tree? Seriously?

Imp Judgments is worthless - JotP is 1 minute and Judgment buffs last 20 seconds. Why would you need to judge faster than the 10 seconds that it defaults to?

You don't get to have Aura Mastery, Imp Conc Aura, Imp Wis and Imp LoH. Coordinate with any other pallies in your guild to make sure you keep your bases covered. The standard Holy Pally spec (if you're the one with Kings) is 51/5/15. You can find examples of it all over the place. Or just look at my armory. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm running atm.

[Hombo]

Now that the guy above has said his piece this is the "Best" paladin healing tree that you can possibly get, screw wasting points on kings other nubs can do that, if you want to be the top of your paladin healing meters you roll this 100%

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

there are variables of your spec that can be changed and you'll see where they are for instance improved bow not necessary but as i've made it, it is very neat and you can't gain or lose anything that would overall help you, other talents would only help in certain situations this is overall the best spec you can have.

[Hombo]

Sry i forgot to add this one to, these are the "two best" the other is more for 5man to boost your teams dps with upgraded might. This is more raid because everyone else will have most buffs.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

[Hombo]

The second spec -10% to cost of dispell which is helpful but the main thing is your Lay of hands 4min cooldown, this is a 1/5 reduction in time meaning that every 16mins you will gain it back, meaning when you Loh yourself [glyphed into it] you will be gaining more mp5 overall from it. In 5man you often dont bother using you LoH for mana back but 10-25mans it comes in very useful the the more often its up the more often you can keep up your heals.

[Hombo]

this is so stalker like but i keep forgetting to add things and dont like editing. The reason you get improved judgements instead of Might in the 2nd spec is because judgements only last 8-10sec i can't actually remember but yea holy pallies in raid often judge light to increase healing and get resisted quite alot, so the faster it comes off cd the faster you can rejudge. Also judgeing is a Mana back attack, so dont be stupid mate - if you cast Wisdom all your attacks have chance to regain mana back so when you judge again you have chance to proc mana back - simple math with 1/5 reduction in time between attacks you gain more mana back from it. Also less judgetime means you refresh your 15% haste increase more often so that when shit hits the fan it will be there for a little longer, I find with 8sec judge CD it just fits better into my healing rotation [if there really is one lol ^^] but yea, it just seems to work better. but that is just my opinion.

[Firecrest]

Now that the guy above has said his piece this is the "Best" paladin healing tree that you can possibly get, screw wasting points on kings other nubs can do that, if you want to be the top of your paladin healing meters you roll this 100%

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

Dude. No. Why in God's Green would you choose Pure of Heart over Imp LoH? Ever? Shortening the duration of Curse and Disease effects is useless in a Raid environment where you have Cleanses and Decurses. Bad Build.

Points put in Kings are not "wasted". Nor are you a nub for doing so. Skipping Kings to be "top of your paladin healing meters" is an idiotic thing to do. The benefit of the raid comes to play long before your personal gain. In this case, 10% stats to the entire raid is much much better than 3% crit to yourself. If your group doesn't have a Ret Pally, then Holy is the next spec to pick it up. Even if you do have a Ret, many Holy Pallies will opt to get Kings anyhow because you can't always assume that Ret will be in your 10 or 5 mans. Don't be a tool. Spec for the benefit of the raid. Not yourself. That kind of "me first" attitude has no place in end game raiding.

Sry i forgot to add this one to, these are the "two best" the other is more for 5man to boost your teams dps with upgraded might. This is more raid because everyone else will have most buffs.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

Again. Bad spec. Why do you keep adding PvP talents in there? Purifying Power is not even that good in PvP. 10% mana reduction on a spell that costs 200 mana? Seriously? Grats on saving that 20 mana. I'm sure it will be a life saver. Or maybe you're doing a lot of DPS with Exorcism, eh? Wasted points.

this is so stalker like but i keep forgetting to add things and dont like editing. The reason you get improved judgements instead of Might in the 2nd spec is because judgements only last 8-10sec i can't actually remember but yea holy pallies in raid often judge light to increase healing and get resisted quite alot, so the faster it comes off cd the faster you can rejudge. Also judgeing is a Mana back attack, so dont be stupid mate - if you cast Wisdom all your attacks have chance to regain mana back so when you judge again you have chance to proc mana back - simple math with 1/5 reduction in time between attacks you gain more mana back from it. Also less judgetime means you refresh your 15% haste increase more often so that when shit hits the fan it will be there for a little longer, I find with 8sec judge CD it just fits better into my healing rotation [if there really is one lol ^^] but yea, it just seems to work better. but that is just my opinion.

Imp Judgments is a waste.

You are way wrong about how long Judgments last. They do not last 8-10 seconds. They last 20. Ten seconds longer than the standard cooldown. Two points into making the CD shorter is just dumb.

If you're Judging every eight seconds, something's wrong. And if you're Judging every eight seconds because you need mana, something's even more wrong. Your logic of doing so to get mana back is just bad. Not only do we not struggle with mana at all, but you've completely forgotten that it costs mana to Judge. So you actually end up losing mana on the deal.

And this is to say nothing of the wasted time you've spent blowing a GCD every eight seconds on something that's not healing.

You Judge to get JotP or to refresh the effect. Period. Meaning that you only ever should be Judging once per 20 seconds max.

[Deleted]

If you mainly play as a solo and 5man healer you should pick up Kings. For raiding you shouldn't unless you are the only paladin as Prot and Ret can pick Kings up fairly easily, though Prot may want to buff Sanctuary. Talk to your fellow paladins first.

[lumnights]

Points put in Kings are not "wasted". Nor are you a nub for doing so. Skipping Kings to be "top of your paladin healing meters" is an idiotic thing to do. The benefit of the raid comes to play long before your personal gain. In this case, 10% stats to the entire raid is much much better than 3% crit to yourself. If your group doesn't have a Ret Pally, then Holy is the next spec to pick it up. Even if you do have a Ret, many Holy Pallies will opt to get Kings anyhow because you can't always assume that Ret will be in your 10 or 5 mans. Don't be a tool. Spec for the benefit of the raid. Not yourself. That kind of "me first" attitude has no place in end game raiding.

I couldn't have put it better myself. In addition, giving your tank 10% more stamina also tends to make healing them a bit easier.

This is best IMO: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000 (you have 1 point you can throw around in either Imp LoH, Imp Wisdom, or Aura Mastery, but that's about it.)

[pleh]

In 5mans I go with: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

In raids: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I dont take BoK to raids since other pallys usually have it and because i want more crit from "Sanctified Seals". My haste is about 440 atm and 32% Crit in raid spec. There is 2 points in my raid spec that you can move where ever you want but i prefer "Aura Mastery" and the 1 point you can throw where ever you want, in my case i did put it to "Pursuit of Justice". I think those are best specs for PVE healing... for me.

[perjjxx]

since the ret pally in your raid should have kings, 53 holy /18ret is a nice build.

[Pwonatizer]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...000000000#none


is this the right one? XD (had an xtra point just threw in imp concentration aura)

[perjjxx]

you should have 18 points in ret for sanc seals, if you dont you are gimping your heals and mana return. 52 holy/18 ret one extra point to put anywhere. btw your ret pally should have Kings.

[Deleted]

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

Thats how i would spec, and it does leave some things open to you basically. First whether you pick up Kings or not depends on your Raid. If you do i'd spec the above. If not ->

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...000000000#none


But i quite often switch conc aura/ bow ...

[Hanth]

I'm not really sure what you guys are up to, but for a raiding build I'd say skip kings and let a ret/prot paladin fix that. I also see a lot of people skipping Sanctified Seals, and some even skipping Conviction. Seriously guys?

Personally I never take kings in a holy spec, but our guild got enough active ret paladins that brings that to the raid anyway. Only time I might consider getting kings is if our ret paladins suddenly stopped raiding, in wich case a holy paladin would have to bring it. I'd never get kings for a 5man spec either.

Out of all the replies here I'd have to go and agree with pleh, though personally I'd take one point from improved LoH instead of Aura Mastery for the BoK spec.

Oh, and as a sidenote, Improved Blessing of Might is allways better than Improved Judgements. A ret paladin that's doing BoK can't use his imp. BoM, so do the poor guy a favor and improve yours. You probably have a glyphed BoW anyway, so your single target version on yourself will still last 30 minutes.

[Qwenjis]

In 5mans I go with: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

In raids: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I dont take BoK to raids since other pallys usually have it and because i want more crit from "Sanctified Seals". My haste is about 440 atm and 32% Crit in raid spec. There is 2 points in my raid spec that you can move where ever you want but i prefer "Aura Mastery" and the 1 point you can throw where ever you want, in my case i did put it to "Pursuit of Justice". I think those are best specs for PVE healing... for me.

thats the best pve holy spec...i use 51-5-15 myself but have bok in 25man because our ret doesnt come every raid..

[Pwonatizer]

ok im rlly stupid. ignore the last link for my new talents
this is the new one:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

[Khorban]

In 5mans I go with: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

In raids: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

I dont take BoK to raids since other pallys usually have it and because i want more crit from "Sanctified Seals". My haste is about 440 atm and 32% Crit in raid spec. There is 2 points in my raid spec that you can move where ever you want but i prefer "Aura Mastery" and the 1 point you can throw where ever you want, in my case i did put it to "Pursuit of Justice". I think those are best specs for PVE healing... for me.

This. It works every time.

For the raid build, the extra movement speed may seem useless, but the faster you can 'run out of the fire' the better.