Frost DPS - Single Target DPS

[Myzou]

Ok, so I decided to test today, and realized something:

On single targets, I average ~1.4k dps.

When there are 2 targets, will do about 2.2k dps. 3 = 3k. Add on 800 more per target.

My hunter is the opposite. I know Frost is essentially an AoE spec, but I'm oblivious as to how I'm supposed to get higher single target dps ._.

[Firkraag]

I raid as frost, well trying out unholy for a week now but i'm mainly frost.

How's your specc?

I used
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfcMmZGMxthxdRhoV0sxfM

And was getting about 2300-2400 dps on a boss dummy(selfbuffed ofc). Now i'm full valorous and such, but even with heroic gear I didn't get as low as 1400. In 25man raids i get ~3800-4000 dps on bosses.

Sounds like you need to work on your rotations, or specc or both.

[Prefix]

Need spec and rotation to help.

[eldadelin]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=101213040501

Is my current build

IT - Ob - Ob - BS - FSx
IT - Ob - BS - Ob - FSx

Use Blood Tap to generate a Death Rune before starting, the Blood Strike generates the required Death Rune for all sub-sequent cycles.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...t&n=Eldadelinn

I pushed a little more then I did as blood. Would try UH but our dk tank is currently CF/EBPB and the bug really lowers the dps output.

Good luck.

[Myzou]

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=jfVMVZGxxxhxdRhRV0sx

Is my spec, and my rotation is the same as Eldelelin's, with Howling Blast over Obliterate. I have yet to see Obliterate deal more damage than HB, on top of that, with the new Killing Machine, HB has a pretty high chance of critting when I'm ready to use it <_< Using Obliterate, I actually lose 200 dps, which is probably due to the lack of epics atm. (Only have Titansteel Destroyer + Mirror of Truth) DK gear never drops -.-;

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...osh&n=Valkyria

Is my character sheet. Personally, for my gear, I feel 1400 dps is quite decent, but of course, the people on my server disagree. I may pack out ~3k dps on trash, but they could care less since I only do ~1400 on bosses. And I'm well aware I'm over the hit cap, but yet to have any upgrades drop >_<

EDIT: Haven't been in northrend since patch, so dont have the new icy touch sigil :P

[Itsbobross]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=101213040501

Make sure you grab the new icy touch sigil. The glyphs are very important as well.

Rotation: IT - OB - OB - BS - BS - FS dump - IT - IT - IT - IT - FS dump - IT - IT. (must be in unholy presence or else you run out of gcds)
Use howling blast on rime procs, Throw in more frost strikes if you're getting close to the rp cap.

W/ 3.3k ap 27% crit after horn of winter and 405 hit (I only have my dual wield gear + titansteel destroyer) I put out 3k+ dps raid buffed.

With my gear I still do more dps w/ my dual wield spec. Peaking at 4k, averaging at about 3.5k dps.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...r&n=Itsbobross

[Shamb]

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?deat...h=101213040501

Is my current build

IT - Ob - Ob - BS - FSx
IT - Ob - BS - Ob - FSx

Use Blood Tap to generate a Death Rune before starting, the Blood Strike generates the required Death Rune for all sub-sequent cycles.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...t&n=Eldadelinn

I pushed a little more then I did as blood. Would try UH but our dk tank is currently CF/EBPB and the bug really lowers the dps output.

Good luck.

There are no bugs anymore for multiple unholy in raids. It has been fixed, so feel free to try it out and you will see your dps go up

[eldadelin]

@ sham, I did try it day after patch, either he loses the tps or I lose the dps.

[taek]

I think it's just your gearing. Armory may be bugged but i don't think i saw a single enchant, for example.

Your rotation & spec look correct.

RE: OB
In 5 mans/10 mans HB does more damage for me (at fairly low AP since i'm a tank). But in 25 mans with full raid buffs and the boss fully raid debuffed, OB does more damage.

[Timpani]

Your gear isn't the greatest, but I think its safe to say thats what most of use started with IMO since you're BS I would farm and make yourself the Helm and Boots...and ya, as stated Enchants and the new sigil will help :P

[Firkraag]

The problem I see with most frost builds are that they lack Epidemic.

Sure I may be the only one in the world running the specc that I do, but i'm sure as hell successful with it. I guess run with what you feel comfortable with, but I can't see how that would include having to redo diseases every 12 seconds.

You don't have to max out Bladed Armor/Dark Conviction to do dps. ~200 less AP and 1% less crit is not worth losing obliterates over, theory crafters may disagree but i'm sure they wouldn't run frost to begin with.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...her&n=Kryptikk

Tried unholy for a day, didn't like it so back to my old tried and true frost spec.

[eldadelin]

At low weapon and gear levels, HB will do more damage until you get a few epics.

[Prefix]

There are no bugs anymore for multiple unholy in raids. It has been fixed, so feel free to try it out and you will see your dps go up

Sort of right. If the tank is UH, you'll risk stealing a third disease from him, and thus he loose TPS with only 2 diseases up.

[Myzou]

I think it's just your gearing. Armory may be bugged but i don't think i saw a single enchant, for example.

Your rotation & spec look correct.

RE: OB
In 5 mans/10 mans HB does more damage for me (at fairly low AP since i'm a tank). But in 25 mans with full raid buffs and the boss fully raid debuffed, OB does more damage.

I enchant when my gear is decent enough. I don't blow money on crap enchants XD

I just obtained Spiked Titansteel Helm today, with sovereign gem (+str/stam) and chaotic skyflare diamond in it. Can't enchant it, as I don't have the ebon hold tabard yet >_< I will enchant bracers soon though, can't believe I forgot that -.-; Also got the new icy touch sigil, which gave me a decent boost.

Today in Heroic UP, I had Kings, Might, and TSA. I was popping out 2500 dps on single targets. That was, until the tank managed to lose threat (gogo paladin tanks -.-) on 2 bosses, causing me to die and sit through waiting for the rest of the group to kill said boss :S At the end, I had only managed to get back up to 1800 due to all the downtime of being dead >_<

[Necromantic]

It might have something to do with the AoE factor of Howling Blast.

[Deleted]

Frost is probably the most gear-centric spec going, all I'll say is make sure you're at 26 Expertise and >263 hit rating. Until you get a good weapon, Sigil of Awareness and possibly 4pc T7 you should probably stick to using HB in place of Oblit where possible, and perhaps swap to:

IT->HB->BS->BT/Unbreakable Armour -> FS Dump
IT-> IT->FS->HB->IT->FS->IT-> Dump

That should work out, just trying to encompass the Oblit/6IT rotation while favouring HB when possible over IT. The only problem you may have is prioritising KM procs.

[Myzou]

So I join a naxx PuG yesterday. We get through Spider wing no problem. Grand Widow gives us some problems, but just because they got the bright idea to try without dispelling frenzy... bad idea. :P

Anyways, we get to plague wing, OT disconnects. We grab a pally OT the healer doesn't want due to only at 530 def. (which turns out to be quite alright later -.-) The healer disconnects. We don't want to replace (the others were being buttholes >_<), anyways, we disband, AFTER saving said paladin to a partially clear instance, which pisses me off :S

But to the point: We get to Maexxna, and someone posts damage meter. I'm holding at 2500, in 3rd place behind the other DK, who is at 2300. (I was having lag, so I didn't fight some of the trash). The healer speaks up and says that if looking at my gear, she'd be scared to have me dps, but It's not always the gear XD

But yea, we down Maexxna, those leather pants drop, no one wants, and sadly, they were an upgrade, so they give it to me -.- So now I'm a DK with leather pants :S:S:S But *shrug* it gave me a ton of crit, extra stam, expertise, and more AP than bladed armor. :P