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    holy priest specc

    hi i just dinged 80 on my alt priest and after some thinking i desided to go as healer in pve ,so im wondering if u can give me some good speccs etc ? and what gear i should aim for and what stats etc...


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    Re: holy priest specc

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVcbzhZcxtcc0qihVIst

    stack spirit, spellpower, crit, then haste after those

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    thanks

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    the spec is almost good.

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=bVcbzhZbxtMf0qihVIst

    Is better. Why?

    The better CoH range is really useful. Renew is a really crappy spell if you play holy as a spec.
    And healing focus is quite important since CoH got nerfed.

    Then go for haste instead of crit first, because crit is mandatory in a raid. (you should have about 17-20% with normal gear raid buffed) which is more then enough.

    Stack haste and spirit untill you got about 300-450 haste and 330-360 mp5, than you can go for some crit...

    Currently, I have 382 mp5, 420 haste and 11,8% crit, with the spec 16,8% crit unbuffed. That makes almost 24% raidbuffed.


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    zkillon: Actually, you should think twice about whether to go discipline or holy. It will really will depend on your healing style.

    As a fresh priest, you will find that

    - Discipline will bring you fast but weak heals. In fact, your healing will feel very underwhelming at the beginning, and you need to spam lots of heals to catch up. Discipline is built around spamming fast small heals. On the upside, you will have a very stable mana income as long as you do effective healing. More gear will improve your output and speed, and eventually put you out of mana regeneration concerns completely. You will have less output than a paladin, but if you remember to add +25% of your output as shielded damage you will not be far behind - sometimes even ahead. This makes discipline a fun, versatile tankhealer still capable of stepping in where it's required. The only permanent downside of the discipline tree is that two disc healers will get in eachothers way very easily.

    - Holy will bring you some very heavy heals, but a very low mana efficiency. In fact, holy has everything you ever want in a healing tree; strong heals, a versatile toolbox (though most of it is baseline - and available to disc as well) and a very nifty raidsaver spell (Guardian Spirit), which although hard to use regularly saves my raid. Holy also has the only instant raidwide AoE heal in the game, although I personally aren't too fond of it anymore after the cooldown nerf. (But that's just me being bitter.) And we have the best heal in the game - Lightwell - which only downside is that it's never used by anyone even if you pay them. Still, the holy priest is a very complete package and a very good healer all round. Except for the extremely heavy mana issues you will have in the beginning. As you get full epic gear, it's not so bad anymore, but you will be oom and useless after 12 gheals until that happens, and it's a problem you will never outgear, only mitigate.

    For this reason, I would really recommend starting out as discipline. It's just painful to play as holy until you get a decent mana regen. Once you have the gear, Holy is a very potent specc, arguably better than discipline. Although they are hard to compare - they feel very different to play. Keep in mind that the two specs will prioritize different gear.
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    Imo, both posted specs above are not really good, because both priests have wasted 1 point in Desperate Prayer. After Patch 3.0 this spell costs mana and so it's no longer attractive, because you get so a lot of flash heal clearcast you can use instead of that.

    Additionally...

    ...why you should stack haste up to 400? There is no reason about that.
    Stack haste only up to something around 200 to egalize your latency, not more!
    As a spirit based healer you have to be familiar with the 5 second rule (FSR), but the more haste you stack, the more difficult is it to leave the FSR.

    Stack int and spirit up to 1000 (unbuffed), get around 200 haste an then get crit, crit and crit. Spellpower comes at itselfe

    A good spec is:
    http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...00000000000000

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    and i cant count the number of times i have used desperate prayer. you act like it is a pvp only talent. pressing one button while running away from something during any encounter and not forcing other healers to worry about you is easily warrantable for a single talent point. mana cost is negligible when you save a life.

    edit: imo holy reach is useless. if there arent enough people in range for CoH to hit 5 people, you are using it at the wrong time. adding 2 yards to the radius of CoH won't help you very much, if at all. unless your raid is scattered everywhere like sheep.

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    Disagree on the Desperate Prayer.

    Yes, it's too expensive given its drawbacks. It's basically a GHeal with the added limits of a 2 minute cooldown, self-target only, healing for 60% the amount, and not being able to proc Holy Concentration. On the upside, it's 20% cheaper and instant. Comparing that to say, Natures swiftness, will make you cry.

    But still, I find that Desperate Prayer saves my rear ass every so often. It's not a spell you will look forward to using. But try binding it to a spare mouse button, and click it when you suddenly find yourself very low on HP and in grave danger. You will find it will save your life every time you use it. I found my survivability in raids went up threefold after learning to use it.

    And that's well worth a talent point, imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by holybynature
    Imo, both posted specs above are not really good, because both priests have wasted 1 point in Desperate Prayer. After Patch 3.0 this spell costs mana and so it's no longer attractive, because you get so a lot of flash heal clearcast you can use instead of that.

    Additionally...

    ...why you should stack haste up to 400? There is no reason about that.
    Stack haste only up to something around 200 to egalize your latency, not more!
    As a spirit based healer you have to be familiar with the 5 second rule (FSR), but the more haste you stack, the more difficult is it to leave the FSR.

    Stack int and spirit up to 1000 (unbuffed), get around 200 haste an then get crit, crit and crit. Spellpower comes at itselfe

    A good spec is:
    http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/ba...00000000000000
    EJ's sugests 10% haste is needed as holy... something around 350 rating I believe. In addition, due to the raw power of holy heals you will find that haste is probably the most powerful stat to increase HPS... take an extreme example... imagine if your holy gheals were 1.5sec? As such you may want a haste set if you were being asked to MT heal an encounter... sure there are specialised classes/specs for that but part of holy is flexibilty and there may be reaons why you raid wants you to MT heal a specfic encounter... be it some people didnt show up to the raid that night or some mechanic you can offer that helps the encounter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner
    zkillon: Actually, you should think twice about whether to go discipline or holy. It will really will depend on your healing style.

    As a fresh priest, you will find that

    - Discipline will bring you fast but weak heals. In fact, your healing will feel very underwhelming at the beginning, and you need to spam lots of heals to catch up. Discipline is built around spamming fast small heals. On the upside, you will have a very stable mana income as long as you do effective healing. More gear will improve your output and speed, and eventually put you out of mana regeneration concerns completely. You will have less output than a paladin, but if you remember to add +25% of your output as shielded damage you will not be far behind - sometimes even ahead. This makes discipline a fun, versatile tankhealer still capable of stepping in where it's required. The only permanent downside of the discipline tree is that two disc healers will get in eachothers way very easily.

    - Holy will bring you some very heavy heals, but a very low mana efficiency. In fact, holy has everything you ever want in a healing tree; strong heals, a versatile toolbox (though most of it is baseline - and available to disc as well) and a very nifty raidsaver spell (Guardian Spirit), which although hard to use regularly saves my raid. Holy also has the only instant raidwide AoE heal in the game, although I personally aren't too fond of it anymore after the cooldown nerf. (But that's just me being bitter.) And we have the best heal in the game - Lightwell - which only downside is that it's never used by anyone even if you pay them. Still, the holy priest is a very complete package and a very good healer all round. Except for the extremely heavy mana issues you will have in the beginning. As you get full epic gear, it's not so bad anymore, but you will be oom and useless after 12 gheals until that happens, and it's a problem you will never outgear, only mitigate.

    For this reason, I would really recommend starting out as discipline. It's just painful to play as holy until you get a decent mana regen. Once you have the gear, Holy is a very potent specc, arguably better than discipline. Although they are hard to compare - they feel very different to play. Keep in mind that the two specs will prioritize different gear.

    thats true , i need to gear up first :/ do u have any good specc for disc?

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    Holy Reach is not only for CoH, where the effect is mostly useless even if you have the CoH-Glyph, is more important for PoH, where you get additional 6 Yards of range.
    I love that for Malygos 25 and Satharion+Drakes.


    EJ's sugests 10% haste is needed as holy... something around 350 rating I believe. In addition, due to the raw power of holy heals you will find that haste is probably the most powerful stat to increase HPS... take an extreme example... imagine if your holy gheals were 1.5sec? As such you may want a haste set if you were being asked to MT heal an encounter... sure there are specialised classes/specs for that but part of holy is flexibilty and there may be reaons why you raid wants you to MT heal a specfic encounter... be it some people didnt show up to the raid that night or some mechanic you can offer that helps the encounter.
    I don't care about HPS, as long the damage done is lesser than my healing output. Actually we talk about Naxxramas, Malygos and Satharion+3.
    Surely, i've had a haste-set with about 450 hase (if i want), but i'd never used it. I do MT heal very often, in case we have only a few paladins in our guild, till now, i've never needed haste equip for that.

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    Re: holy priest specc

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic018
    The better CoH range is really useful. Renew is a really crappy spell if you play holy as a spec.
    And healing focus is quite important since CoH got nerfed.

    Then go for haste instead of crit first, because crit is mandatory in a raid. (you should have about 17-20% with normal gear raid buffed) which is more then enough.

    Stack haste and spirit untill you got about 300-450 haste and 330-360 mp5, than you can go for some crit...

    Currently, I have 382 mp5, 420 haste and 11,8% crit, with the spec 16,8% crit unbuffed. That makes almost 24% raidbuffed.
    Glyphed + Talented renew is still a really powerful spell that you can keep up on the tanks with very little time cost in your rotation.

    Haste is nice to increase throughput on spam healing encounters, but does work against your regen as you will have more difficulty getting out of the fsr ... on most fights you may look a little better on meters as you beat pallies to the punch and make them eat the extra overheal, but most of the time it doesn't make much of a difference (and you're losing serendipity proc in that example). Haveing a haste set for those encounters might be useful, but I wouldn't gear for it starting out.

    20-25% crit was the old marker for priests being optimized because CoH hits 5 people (6 glyphed) and this number comes close to guaranteeing one crit, proccing surge, and it was the general concensus that more crit was wasted. With the advent of the CoH nerf, "ideal" crit is now higher. "Close to guaranteeing" isn't good enough with a 6s cooldown, and flash/bind/greater heals aren't "optimized" by 20% crit the way CoH was. When the stars line up and you can get a (crit) -> Clearcasting (crit) -> Surge of Light -> Inner Fire (dual proc crit) -> Surge of Light -> Clearcasting chain the gods smile and druid innervates feel impotent and weak. Bottom line, crit is sick and haste is meh.

    Also with the changes to pushback, healing focus outside of pvp is kind of a waste. There are a few specific fights where is might be marginally useful (healing the back in 4-horsemen), but in general pve those points are better spent elsewhere. If you're suffering from pushback to the point its effecting your healing you're probably doing it wrong (FADE!!).

    Not bible truths, just my 2 cents worth.

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    First time poster here : )

    I play a holy priest and have ran pretty much everything in WotLK as one of the main healers and I am never OOM even after a 10+ minute fight. I have found that crit is better than haste because it saves the drain on my mana. So, I try to stack as much crit as possible without gimping my other stats. So, in my opinion spirit > spellpower > crit > intell > haste. I've played around with several builds, several different glyphs, different gems and have read many posts from various websites and I have found that my current build is optimal for my play-style and role.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ond&n=Kyrstenn

    Everyone has their play-style and two cents to offer but the one thing that I can suggest is watch your mana and pace yourself with the heals that you provide. Thus, respecting the FSR. No reason to give out heals when they are not needed. You could be using that time getting out of the FSR.

    I love Surge of Light because it always procs because of my 20+ raid-buffed crit, thus, free heals! ;D

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    Re: holy priest specc

    Quote Originally Posted by Danner
    zkillon: Actually, you should think twice about whether to go discipline or holy. It will really will depend on your healing style.

    As a fresh priest, you will find that

    - Discipline will bring you fast but weak heals. In fact, your healing will feel very underwhelming at the beginning, and you need to spam lots of heals to catch up. Discipline is built around spamming fast small heals. On the upside, you will have a very stable mana income as long as you do effective healing. More gear will improve your output and speed, and eventually put you out of mana regeneration concerns completely. You will have less output than a paladin, but if you remember to add +25% of your output as shielded damage you will not be far behind - sometimes even ahead. This makes discipline a fun, versatile tankhealer still capable of stepping in where it's required. The only permanent downside of the discipline tree is that two disc healers will get in eachothers way very easily.

    For this reason, I would really recommend starting out as discipline. It's just painful to play as holy until you get a decent mana regen. Once you have the gear, Holy is a very potent specc, arguably better than discipline. Although they are hard to compare - they feel very different to play. Keep in mind that the two specs will prioritize different gear.
    Correction: Discipline is NOT built around small heals primarily, it is built around damage mitigation. Small heals are secondary and are a essential but not the primary purpose of the tree. As discipline will never be the top of the charts or in the top 3 if there is a paly, shaman, druid or holy priest in the raid, go into trying this spec only if you dont care about numbers (which one shouldn't to begin with). It is a very fun spec to play and spices up the healing role a lot, which is a greatly appreciated change to this tree since the expansion. Also it gives a break from the raid healing assignment which most holy priests are assigned too : )

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    My 2 cents when you are talking about holy raid healing, your not generally going to be a MT heal you will generally help with OT healing and raid healing. Kinda sucks not having a specific one target job but it certainly makes the job more interesting.

    With that said if your not doing heroics you wont need healing focus and even if you do running heroics with a decent tank you still wont need healing focus.

    Desperate prayer has major uses, and while yes I'm sure other classes have better spells it doesn't change the fact that when you need an instant heal to save your own butt its nice that you have one. Not great but for 1 point its not bad.

    Threat is so high by tanks and DPS that silent resolve is useless even 1 point of it.

    As such the gain of basically 5 points from silent resolve and healing focus allows you to throw that 1 point in desperate prayer. Also I put 5/5 in divine proidence and the last three points are up to you.

    If you find yourself healing tanks alot you should consider Test of Faith with the last 3 points, if not then maybe Holy Reach or Healing Prayers its really up to you though.

    http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

    As I said the last three points are up to you which is why I simply threw them in Imp PW:S and Mental Agility, cause right now there isn't a ton else to get thats overly useful for a Holy Priest who raids heavily.

    PS my current spec doesnt fully reflect the one I linked but that is also because currently I was asked to get spirit by my guild so I did.

    As far as stats to stack in order I would personally go

    Spirit (overall regen)
    Int (base mana and in raids higher mana regen then spirit)
    Spellpower (bigger Heals)
    Crit (more SoL procs and sometimes bigger heals)
    Haste (better hps if your mana regen can sustain it)

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    test of faith > 2/5 mental agi and 1/3 imp shield IMO

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    Yes if you are main tank healing or your raid is desperate, again I stated that the last three points are simply moderate right now. Here is the reason behind it being a more main tank healing thing or a desperation thing. In most raid wide damage if the bulk of your raid is dropping below 50% to make the skill that overall useful then aside from say vortex, then someone is likely not pulling there weight. 1/3 in imp shield is just kinda helpful to yourself and mental agi just helps a tiny bit for mana regen.

    Its more chosen in my case because i have to grab points for Divine Spirit for the raid, but yes when I was pure 14/57 I had test of faith as well. But it's really not one of those required points more one of the optional ones.

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