Yep, breakpoint of gaining mana from Penance is 25k mana. I've heard it has been said, and it's something I've personally been looking into, without the actual math. Test it yourself though, assuming you have some spellpower and 25k mana, 5/5 on Rapture and 0/3 on Imp. Healing, you gain mana, or are 10's away of it at least, from casting fully effective Penance, even with 0 crits. Add in crits and you gain more. It's very rare to see Penance being cast without a single crit..Originally Posted by iebe
So, you really need cheaper Penance, especially if you lose 3 talent points for it?
Digging through EJ though, I found this math for it [I take no responsibility if the math is correct or not, I really have no clue where 11460 have been taken from];
Rapture Mana Return = (Healed or Absorbed Amount / 11460) * 2.5% * Mana Pool
But what it shows, if your Penance ticks for 3820, totalling 11460, and have 25k mana, you gain. Seeing that my last tick, totally unbuffed, healed 3227, it isn't hard to reach.
Dräparen: Yes, the disc build is bit off, while some like Renew, it's really crap. However, if your mana sustains it [who's doesen't..?] there is no real backfire out from using it. And since gheal is not used either, Divine Fury about as useless as well. Like said though, chaining it with Inner Focus is always nice. More often it gets chained with PoH though. Personally I took it for soloing, and since Focus is useless, as is imp. Renew.
Imp. DS is still waste of points. Period. I'd swap those two out to 3/3 to imp. PWS and 1/1 to Desperate Prayer. They do something, imp. DS does not.
Oh, and he does cast PWS too, right? It's instant, so you might've missed it.. there's big bad debuff on tank due to it though..