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  1. #101

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    i know, that 2 min patchwerk is not a good example to compare dps. but i only look at how often die skills are used..

    take a look at http://wowwebstats.com/c15dm3otyxuqm...271&a=x17a58e7

    5 minute fight, sartharion +3 adds. this fight should benefit the use of ES since you have to run around and do not stand in melee rage all the time.
    ES: 30 * 8.1%base = 243%base
    SS: 31 * 10%base = 310%base

    i checked some other sarth+3 kills and in each it's the same situation, that 1pt imp.ss would be better then 1pt sf

    regarding the t8 4pieces bonus i expect that you'll spend more gcd on casting lb at the cost of less es...
    so what i only wanted to mention is that saying sf is worth more mp5 because es only on 6 sec cd is wrong

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    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Patch 9733 changes :

    * Command (Orc Racial): Applies to shaman pets, and now correctly applies to death knight pets.
    * Earth Elemental Totem: The summoned Earth Elemental should now have significantly more health and slightly more armor.
    * Fire Elemental Totem: The summoned Fire Elemental should now have moderately more health and mana, and its damage scaling has been increased. In addition, the Fire Elemental’s spells now cost less mana.
    * Glyph of Riptide: Increases the duration of Riptide by 6 seconds. (Up from 3 sec)
    * Cleanse Spirit is now properly in the Nature spell school.
    * Tremor Totem: Now correctly pulses every 3 seconds, up from 1 seconds.
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    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Quote Originally Posted by Waruck
    i know, that 2 min patchwerk is not a good example to compare dps. but i only look at how often die skills are used..

    take a look at http://wowwebstats.com/c15dm3otyxuqm...271&a=x17a58e7

    5 minute fight, sartharion +3 adds. this fight should benefit the use of ES since you have to run around and do not stand in melee rage all the time.
    ES: 30 * 8.1%base = 243%base
    SS: 31 * 10%base = 310%base

    i checked some other sarth+3 kills and in each it's the same situation, that 1pt imp.ss would be better then 1pt sf

    regarding the t8 4pieces bonus i expect that you'll spend more gcd on casting lb at the cost of less es...
    so what i only wanted to mention is that saying sf is worth more mp5 because es only on 6 sec cd is wrong
    Ok now go look at runs of full clears of Naxx ie: a mix of all different types of fight eg: http://wowwebstats.com/dcehr53x5paw5?a=x79300a

    We have ES : 183 + 150 crit = 333 * 8.1% base = 2697.3% base
    and SS : 280 + 232 crit = 512 / 2 = 256 * 10% base = 2560% base

    And over a typical varied array of fights SF comes out on top. If you refer back to my original post you will see I said they are almost equal. You are quite right that in individual shorter fights Imp.SS comes out on top. Have to move around a lot able to get shocks off but not SS (not in melee range/moving) and SF is better.

    Practical upshot is that 1 SF & 1/2 Imp.SS is probably better to cover both bases than 2/2 Imp.SS
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  4. #104

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    does anybody know if the hex bug has been removed/is still active/is intended atm?

  5. #105

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    I think they are going to make it trinketable once 3.1 is released. It will still be a 30 sec CC in PvE and a 8 sec silence/pacify in PvP. Also, they reduced the damage threshold so it breaks faster. This was done so you couldn't hex and nuke a healer, instead....you hex the healer's partner then nuke the healer. Basically make it used defensively.

  6. #106

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    "All Naxxramas relics added to Emblems of Valor quartermasters in Patch 3.1
    Because relic items are very class and spell specific we felt they were different enough to add on to the vendor. You can't exactly get the relic anywhere else and there is no replacement, like you can have multiple kinds of weapons to dps with - yeah, some are better than others, but they will all work - if you want a relic to improve a certain spell, there is likely only one option and we didn't want to say "have fun running naxx!" to get it."


    Not directly related to shaman, but for those of you like myself who haven't picked up your dual-spec totems it will be nice to save some emblems for. Also, the Totem of Hex is basically BiS for enhancement (according to all sims) atm if you are using mostly BiS pieces. I know I will be buying one immediately since I haven't been lucky enough to pick one up. Just something to keep in mind if you are blowing all your emblems on BOE bracers to sell.

    Edit: Recent SIMs are showing Totem of Dueling ahead of Hex still.

  7. #107

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    The newest changelog indicates (again) expertise coming with unleashed rage is a percentage bonus. wtf? did this typo slipped in again or is it now really a relative addition?

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    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacKcuD
    The newest changelog indicates (again) expertise coming with unleashed rage is a percentage bonus. wtf? did this typo slipped in again or is it now really a relative addition?
    Still the same typo that has been around since they introduced the talent. YOu know Blizzard, fix two things, break another. Last I checked it was still 3/6/9 Expertise not %. Besides a % increase to something you need in the mid-twenties of would be amazingly retarded.



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    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Quote Originally Posted by BlacKcuD
    The newest changelog indicates (again) expertise coming with unleashed rage is a percentage bonus. wtf? did this typo slipped in again or is it now really a relative addition?
    Its not a change, the patch notes have always said the same retarded thing. Its just mmo-champion change logger picking it up in error.
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  10. #110

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    I've got a question about improved stormstrike.

    Improved Stormstrike redesigned: When you Stormstrike, you have a 50/100% chance to immediately grant you 20% of your base mana.

    Is this "base mana" calculated from your base (without any gear etc.), in the same fashion as spell costs are currently calculated?

    (or is it straight a 20% of your mana?)

  11. #111

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    its no gear -int, same as Judgements of the Wise and yes, same as what spell costs are calculated off

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    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Quote Originally Posted by Ichabod
    I've got a question about improved stormstrike.

    Improved Stormstrike redesigned: When you Stormstrike, you have a 50/100% chance to immediately grant you 20% of your base mana.

    Is this "base mana" calculated from your base (without any gear etc.), in the same fashion as spell costs are currently calculated?

    (or is it straight a 20% of your mana?)
    Base mana is a fixed figure it isn't your current mana less gear its a FIXED amount based on your level. Shaman Base mana @ lvl 80 is 4396 so 20% is 879 mana. That's what it gives REGARDLESS of gear.
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  13. #113

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    So, chances are I'm missing something here, but help me out on this.

    Why is nobody apparently talking about the range reduction on flame shock? Am I the only one really, really not looking forward to having to be that much closer to shit to do proper dps? For those that cant be assed to read elemental changes, I'm referring to the removal of the flame shock rage buff component in the Storm, Earth, and Fire talent.
    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hatred, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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  14. #114

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Flame shock range got added to Elemental Reach instead. Read.

  15. #115

    Re: *3.1 PTR Shaman Patch Notes (Updated 3/19/09)*

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezachulator
    Flame shock range got added to Elemental Reach instead. Read.
    K.

    Edit: For standard unnecessary Tigercat reply
    Actually, Mr. Lennon, I CAN imagine a world with no hatred, religion, war, or violence.
    I can also imagine attacking such a world, because they would never see it coming.

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