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  1. #201

    Re: Combat Compendium

    If you're nervous about using KS, you can always use the AR glyph instead.

  2. #202

    Re: Combat Compendium

    That is true, but according to Aldriana's Sheet it nets about the same overall DPS as the SnD glyph. For certain fights (3.40 etc.) AR might yield more DPS but in the end AR seems like a quite mediocre glyph, especially when compared to the KS Glyph (DPS-wise).

    Sheet Numbers:

    Adrenaline Rush 47
    Killing Spree 108
    Rupture 97
    Sinister Strike 167
    Slice and Dice 47


    Well then, guess I'ma have to try it out by myself and experience whether it's such an upgrade for me or not.

    Thanks.

  3. #203

    Re: Combat Compendium

    By looking at those WWS reports You really just need to learn how to fit killing spree into your rotation.
    I honestly can get it to beat out rupture and eviscerate by the end of my run with a great rupture uptime.
    For example rogue power bars I have my grim toll and greatness trinket set up they proc with in 7 seconds of eachother
    leaving a time at the begining of the fight where I do a couple SS's get off a snd ss if RS procs to be energy starved hit killing spree
    theres 5.5-6k dps right there with a few crits before you even rupture or lay another CD into your rotation. Amazing move gotta know how and when to use it.

  4. #204

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Hi again, finally starting to get some gear and lets start by saying, im what you might call a poor raider, meaning, i mostly enchant the top chants to "BiS" items, and so far nobody have whined about it. So now i got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45331 Rune - Etched Nightblade. As it seems, its a really good offhand (im doing only 10man`s atm, so keep that in mind). Now when i play with maxdps.com it prefers http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46351 Bloodcrush Cudgel as best, and next would be http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45284 Kinetic Ripper. As i am CQC specced, would Kinetic outbeat R-EN for that 5% crit or would the slower speed be the reason not to go with kinetic ripper? Or would 10man "BiS" be the mace?

  5. #205
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    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by Drunk
    By looking at those WWS reports You really just need to learn how to fit killing spree into your rotation.
    I honestly can get it to beat out rupture and eviscerate by the end of my run with a great rupture uptime.
    For example rogue power bars I have my grim toll and greatness trinket set up they proc with in 7 seconds of eachother
    leaving a time at the begining of the fight where I do a couple SS's get off a snd ss if RS procs to be energy starved hit killing spree
    theres 5.5-6k dps right there with a few crits before you even rupture or lay another CD into your rotation. Amazing move gotta know how and when to use it.
    I for one usually use my KS when I've got rupture up, 5 stacks of DP and not enough energy to do an SS/evi and then do SS/evi instantly when the KS ends. I THINK this is the best way of using it, since it gives the DP&rupture 20% harder ticks during those 2,5 sec. Am I wrong about this? Since the tooltip says increases dmg output by 20% while this ability is active or something like that.

    If not, u got any advices when to use it to get the most out of it?

  6. #206

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashmodan
    Hi again, finally starting to get some gear and lets start by saying, im what you might call a poor raider, meaning, i mostly enchant the top chants to "BiS" items, and so far nobody have whined about it. So now i got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45331 Rune - Etched Nightblade. As it seems, its a really good offhand (im doing only 10man`s atm, so keep that in mind). Now when i play with maxdps.com it prefers http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46351 Bloodcrush Cudgel as best, and next would be http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45284 Kinetic Ripper. As i am CQC specced, would Kinetic outbeat R-EN for that 5% crit or would the slower speed be the reason not to go with kinetic ripper? Or would 10man "BiS" be the mace?
    If you're CQC specced then use Kinetic Ripper.
    It's astonishing how confused people get when a sentence does not end as they potato.

  7. #207

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Hello!

    I've been looking into WWS and recount and I noticed that my Eviscerate dmg was too low (only ~3,5k on a crit hit). (I only eviscerate with 5cp). Than, something came up into my mind: since I use a webbed death in my off-hand, wouldn't be a nice choice to use Envenom instead of Eviscerate? [or my eviscerate dmg was bugged? ???]

  8. #208

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by lucian666
    Hello!

    I've been looking into WWS and recount and I noticed that my Eviscerate dmg was too low (only ~3,5k on a crit hit). (I only eviscerate with 5cp). Than, something came up into my mind: since I use a webbed death in my off-hand, wouldn't be a nice choice to use Envenom instead of Eviscerate? [or my eviscerate dmg was bugged? ???]
    Dmg-Bugged or your equip/raidcomposition suck(s).

    That aside, Envenom is not worth it as Combat Rogue.
    It's astonishing how confused people get when a sentence does not end as they potato.

  9. #209

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Hey Voij!

    TVM for your help!

    This is a link to my armory... (I'd like to see some opinions about my gear comp.) (tonight I will enchant the main weapon and change my bracer's enchant)

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ashi&n=Ambrosy

    I wanna test if Grim Toll works better than my Fury of Five Flights.

  10. #210

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by lucian666
    Hey Voij!

    TVM for your help!

    This is a link to my armory... (I'd like to see some opinions about my gear comp.) (tonight I will enchant the main weapon and change my bracer's enchant)

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ashi&n=Ambrosy

    I wanna test if Grim Toll works better than my Fury of Five Flights.
    Grim Toll >>>>> FotFF as Combat

    Too much hit, get down to ~210. (If you don't raid with a Draenei or a Shadowpriest with Misery/Moonkin with Imp. Faerie Fire, then you'll have to get more hit. The Hitvalues required should be in at least on of the stickies.) [Hint: Get some extra-gear for some slots, you'll have to change equipment frequently when entering Ulduar due to the upgrades you'll get there. I'm carrying 3 pairs of boots atm.])

    Exchange the gem in your boots for an orange one, don't gem for Expertise as Combat, get Crusher for your gloves, put a red gem in your wrists, 2x red in the chest, +10 stats on chest.

    That's about all I can see right now.
    It's astonishing how confused people get when a sentence does not end as they potato.

  11. #211

    Re: Combat Compendium

    SO, if I dont misunderstood you, I should gem everything to AP, right?

  12. #212

    Re: Combat Compendium

    I found that it seems worth it to use KS on hodir, the buff seems to stay on you for a couple seconds after you step out of the beam, and when I use my KS my DPS shoots up a good bit. I haven't got to test this too much. I've gone over 9k DPS on that fight without the best conditions with the beams and know I can get a bit higher, how's everyone else's DPS on that fight? and has anyone found the same thing with KS?

  13. #213

    Re: Combat Compendium

    I've been wondering if someone has tested a successfull mace-build! I built this one...as soon as I get a main-hand mace, I will try...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0xbZMgVb0sEoMu0xRtg0c0h

  14. #214

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by lucian666
    I've been wondering if someone has tested a successfull mace-build! I built this one...as soon as I get a main-hand mace, I will try...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#f0xbZMgVb0sEoMu0xRtg0c0h
    Read the original post maybe?


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    Re: Combat Compendium

    Alright, so im wondering if it is worth it to replace the T7.5 valorous leggings w/ the furious gladiators leggings that i received tonight from emalon 25man?
    They allow me to lose some hit which is what i need to do as I am way over the hit cap.
    I will be losing 22 AP, but gaining 1.55% crit (I have gemmed the pants w/ 2 +16agi gems)

  16. #216

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by Bips
    Alright, so im wondering if it is worth it to replace the T7.5 valorous leggings w/ the furious gladiators leggings that i received tonight from emalon 25man?
    They allow me to lose some hit which is what i need to do as I am way over the hit cap.
    I will be losing 22 AP, but gaining 1.55% crit (I have gemmed the pants w/ 2 +16agi gems)
    No. Please use an item comparison tool like Pawn loaded with the EJ weights; it makes questions like this beyond trivial.

  17. #217

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Small matter, but as far as meeting the meta gem requirements for blue gems (and/or socket bonuses worth getting), the gem http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42702# (+6 to all stats) given common EP values, is higher than either 8 agi/12 stm and 16 ap/12 stm.

  18. #218

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Yes, that would be true. I'll edit the main post to reflect that.

  19. #219

    Re: Combat Compendium

    want to ask a thing about rotation,

    i always face a situation, where i got snd up 12 sec+, i got 5cp rupture 3-4 sec to run out and got 5 cp and energy is going to be 100, i am using evic in this state, but then i got not CP to instantly renew rupture...what to do? evi or rup in this situations, because sometimes i can't due to a bug or mechanichs renew 5 cp rupture that is running out with 5 cp new rupture

    any help will be good

    ps i was not born in english-speaking country, so don't kill me for grammar

  20. #220

    Re: Combat Compendium

    Quote Originally Posted by Nasok
    i always face a situation, where i got snd up 12 sec+, i got 5cp rupture 3-4 sec to run out and got 5 cp and energy is going to be 100, i am using evic in this state, but then i got not CP to instantly renew rupture...what to do? evi or rup in this situations, because sometimes i can't due to a bug or mechanichs renew 5 cp rupture that is running out with 5 cp new rupture
    Good question.
    But the reason you can't renew your ruptue isn't because of a bug, it's because the rupture you already have up is stronger, most likely because you had more AP when you used it. And in that situation I usually just Eviscerate, but it could possibly be more worth it to SS to prevent getting energy capped and using rupture when the old one runs off. This shouldn't happen to you too much. Someone else could probably give you a more exact answer though :P

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