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    Guaranteed dps

    Is Rupture guaranteed dps opposed to Eviscerate, which relies on rng?

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    I can only answer for combat, I don't know the other specs.

    Simplest answer is that Rupture is generally better until you achieve fairly high armor pen...

    The best answer is to load up a spread sheet to decide which will work best for you.

    While they both have a RNG component, Evis is a little worse, it hits like a truck on a crit, but sinister strike hits harder on a non crit. Rupture does pretty

    decent damage over it's course, the crits are just gravy.

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    It can depend on the fight mechanics too.

    For example, Rupture is pretty useless in P1 of Lady Deathwhisper, as the debuff never ticks for the full duration. In this instance, Eviscerate is better "bang for your buck" for the button press.

    Rupture will do more damage (usually) than Eviscerate if it can tick for its full duration.

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    In top end gear you will probably see the spreadsheet suggesting you use a low Rupture cycle (as mine does).

    Quote Originally Posted by Janus View Post
    Rupture will do more damage (usually) than Eviscerate if it can tick for its full duration.
    This sounds correct. I'm not sure if there's a level of arp you can reach now where Evisc will do more DPE than Rupture (when Rupture is able to tick for its full duration).
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    Rupture outdamages Eviscerate only when Trauma/Mangle 2/2 Blood spatter and rupture is glyphed and it ticks for the full duration. I believe otherwise it does not. The spreadsheet tells us about a low rupture cycle because all the buffs are active in the spreadsheet that rupture needs.

    Then again I was never that into combat to know...
    I would agree with you...but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Blood Spatter is a necessity yes, but I don't think Rupture has to be glyphed for it to pull ahead. My spreadsheet still recommends a low Rupture cycle even without the glyph.

    I could be wrong, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm View Post
    Blood Spatter is a necessity yes, but I don't think Rupture has to be glyphed for it to pull ahead. My spreadsheet still recommends a low Rupture cycle even without the glyph.

    I could be wrong, though.
    No it does not need the glyph but well if you're gonna spec it, you might as well glyph it for even more damage but it does indeed need Trauma/Mangle up which spreadsheets by default consider to have 'on' at all times unless modified.
    I would agree with you...but then we'd both be wrong.

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    Since when is 'Eviscerate' RNG damage ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredMaHead View Post
    Since when is 'Eviscerate' RNG damage ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormgard88 View Post
    While they both have a RNG component, Evis is a little worse, it hits like a truck on a crit, but sinister strike hits harder on a non crit.
    Since this.

    Stormgard88's statement could be broadened to say "While all offensive abilities in WoW have a RNG component...", but in this particular instance it's completely valid. If your Eviscerate doesn't crit, you'll probably be wishing you used Rupture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredMaHead View Post
    Since when is 'Eviscerate' RNG damage ?
    A noncrit Eviscerate is relatively weak.

    Anyway I don't understand why people use the terms "low-rupture cycle" and "high-rupture cycle" anymore because combo point generation is so fast that you never really need to worry about Rupture falling off before your next finisher. The smart thing to do in any situation would be to use a "dynamic rupture cycle", where if you can afford to wait until next finisher to use Rupture then use something else, else Rupture immediately, unless of course Rupture won't do its full duration and therefore you wouldn't use it period during that particular timeframe.
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    Still, Eviscerate isnt RNG...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredMaHead View Post
    Still, Eviscerate isnt RNG...
    Crit is RNG and so therefore is Eviscerate. Eviscerate is an extremely potent move on a critical hit, but it doesn't hit for much more (sometimes less) than a Backstab or SinStrike when it doesn't critically hit.
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    Crit and Eviscerate is the same now ? hmmz, i must have missed something

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    Quote Originally Posted by FredMaHead View Post
    Crit and Eviscerate is the same now ? hmmz, i must have missed something
    Indeed you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackriver View Post
    Indeed you did.
    Well if that is the case, i need to spec demonology on my warlock, to get some more eviscerate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varian View Post
    No it does not need the glyph but well if you're gonna spec it, you might as well glyph it for even more damage
    I glyph Sinister Strike/Killing Spree/Tricks of the Trade. The only glyph I'd even come close to considering as able to be dropped would be Tricks, but that adds far too much in raid DPS compared to a personal gain from Rupture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FredMaHead View Post
    Well if that is the case, i need to spec demonology on my warlock, to get some more eviscerate
    i would actually believe you didn't understand how Eviserate is RNG, and i do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heywes View Post
    i would actually believe you didn't understand how Eviserate is RNG, and i do.
    How can be wrong ? RNG=Random Number Generation - Not much to understand....

    OR IS THERE ??

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    wow you all got trolled

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brasko View Post
    Since this.

    Stormgard88's statement could be broadened to say "While all offensive abilities in WoW have a RNG component...", but in this particular instance it's completely valid. If your Eviscerate doesn't crit, you'll probably be wishing you used Rupture.
    The right decision doesn't rely on the outcome. It relies on the likelihood of the various outcomes.
    If your average evis damage is higher than that rupture would have been, then you were right to use it, whether it crit or not.

    Now, you'll certainly be wishing it had crit, but that's different. ;P

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    wow you all got trolled
    If that's trolling, then a 5yo with a crayon is fine art.
    That's just regular old idiocy. :P

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