New raid achievment and mount idea.

[cchsballa06]

The mount part is not totally my idea, got it from browsing the official wow furoms. The achievment idea though I came up with myself working last night.

Achievment: We are beasts!
achievment description: Defeat all the bosses of Naxx(10), archavon, sartharion(and his drakes) and malygos with less then 7 players(less then 17 on heroic) in the raid.
achievment reward: Title: The Beast...example-Sinbland, The Beast-, along with the mount Reigns of Red Corehound(10man achievment) and Reigns of The Beast(25man raid achievment...this mount will have the skin of The Beast from black rock spire)

ok so tell me what you think of this idea...I welcome trolls as well because negative criticism is fun...but would like some serious answers as well
edit-also tell me if the numbers should be lowered to less then 6 and less then 16 respectively....also this is just like a rank above to the dedicated few achievment...just like other achievments rank up such as the profession achievments and the undying part 2 in ulduar

[Copain]

The mount part is not totally my idea, got it from browsing the official wow furoms. The achievment idea though I came up with myself working last night.

Achievment: We are beasts!
achievment description: Defeat all the bosses of Naxx(10), archavon, sartharion(and his drakes) and malygos with less then 7 players(less then 17 on heroic) in the raid.
achievment reward: Title: The Beast...example-Sinbland, The Beast-, along with the mount Reigns of Red Corehound(10man achievment) and Reigns of The Beast(25man raid achievment...this mount will have the skin of The Beast from black rock spire)

ok so tell me what you think of this idea...I welcome trolls as well because negative criticism is fun...but would like some serious answers as well

Sath 3 drakes ten man requires three tanks normally (for adds, drakes, and the boss). Pretend you have Two healers (which would mean they are pretty good geared.. And your DPS rocks), that leaves you room for two DPSers on the multi drakes up Sath... Not really likely to happen.

7 players= 3 less.
17 Players= 8 Less
NOT even.

Malygos is hard to do with only a few drakes up, unless your DPS is GREAT and you have a lot of time to do it.

Arch, no complaints.

For your edit, that makes it even harder as in some cases, such as Sarth, you'd have one DPS.

[cchsballa06]

sorry if i missworded the part about sarth...i didnt mean sarth with 3 drakes up i meant killing sarth and his 3 drakes(seperately) with 6 players or less

but yea the malygos encounter i was afraid to count that in there so maybe we can through that out but out of all them i think they are all doable with a very good dps...and on alot of fights i've done, 1 healer with an offhealer is viable...some other fights would be hard to do with 1 dedicated healer in naxx


edit-hehe if you could somehow do sarth3d with we are beasts achievment you should get something uber like 6 months paid subscriptions to anyone in the raid

[Copain]

sorry if i missworded the part about sarth...i didnt mean sarth with 3 drakes up i meant killing sarth and his 3 drakes(seperately) with 6 players or less

but yea the malygos encounter i was afraid to count that in there so maybe we can through that out but out of all them i think they are all doable with a very good dps...and on alot of fights i've done, 1 healer with an offhealer is viable...some other fights would be hard to do with 1 dedicated healer in naxx

With Malygos it doesn't really matter what your DPS is sorta kind of. With less PEople you want to have MORE DPS so you can get more time on the Drake part since you ened it even with a good group. People want about 2-3 mins for him on the drake part WITH 10 people. With 6-7 people you'd need a lt more time which would be hard to get with less DPS...

[Brudish]

I like the mount idea..As for the achievement. No, sorry, just no.

[cchsballa06]

I like the mount idea..As for the achievement. No, sorry, just no.

i appreciate your reply on my post but if you could give me a reason to your objection to my idea on the achievment that would be cool, and also if you could also post some credible negative criticism with your objection that would be even better...maybe even say what I could do to improve my idea. thanx

[cchsballa06]

With Malygos it doesn't really matter what your DPS is sorta kind of. With less PEople you want to have MORE DPS so you can get more time on the Drake part since you ened it even with a good group. People want about 2-3 mins for him on the drake part WITH 10 people. With 6-7 people you'd need a lt more time which would be hard to get with less DPS...

that's what i was afraid of, because say you only ran with 1 healer and 1 tank that leaves only 4 dps...they would have to be putting out massive deeps to give you enough time on he drake part, so that's why you could probably not include that in the achievment

[Spurlij]

This seems pieced together from other achievements

[Idaho Immortal]

If you think about it though... With good Ulduar gear, this is probably possible.

[Deleted]

If you think about it though... With good Ulduar gear, this is probably possible.

is there bad ulduar gear?

[cchsballa06]

not bad but some ulduar gear wont be much better then current best in slot gear

[Figoment]

these undermanning raid acheivments are only there to piss off your guildies imagine being the 4th best dps in your guild having to wait 4 weeks to get the ten man

[Eudaimonia]

Adding more undermanning achievements is probably a terrible idea. If you underman something, and you normally run a full raid, that means you sit x number of people for at least 2 weeks to get it for everyone, and thats in a perfect world. Most raid groups have more than 25 raiders, because people are simply, inevitably, late/absent. Better raid groups typically have less of that, but RL still happens and you cant control when your wife goes into labor or hurricane whatever knocks out all power in the southeast. Undermanning (and things like the current implementation of immortal), promote poor play and have the propensity to cause drama among the most civil of players.

[Coronius]

Doesn't the core hound and The Beast have the same models/skins?

And no, I don't really like this idea. Core Hounds have nothing to do with the lore at the moment, they belong deep in the mountains of Blackrock. Not on a frozen continent. Most of this idea feels like it's been puzzled together from other achievements.

[cchsballa06]

Adding more undermanning achievements is probably a terrible idea. If you underman something, and you normally run a full raid, that means you sit x number of people for at least 2 weeks to get it for everyone, and thats in a perfect world. Most raid groups have more than 25 raiders, because people are simply, inevitably, late/absent. Better raid groups typically have less of that, but RL still happens and you cant control when your wife goes into labor or hurricane whatever knocks out all power in the southeast. Undermanning (and things like the current implementation of immortal), promote poor play and have the propensity to cause drama among the most civil of players.

my arguement against this is that in reality you probably wont have to sit out that many people...since it would be hard enough to find this many people to be able to do this...and there is no way you could just pug anybody you would need the best players

Doesn't the core hound and The Beast have the same models/skins?

And no, I don't really like this idea. Core Hounds have nothing to do with the lore at the moment, they belong deep in the mountains of Blackrock. Not on a frozen continent. Most of this idea feels like it's been puzzled together from other achievements.

they released the blue dragonhawk mount for the mountain-o-mounts achievment, and that had nothing to do with current lure...now i understand it has nothin to do with current lore, i just want to ride a corehound haha

[Foshiggidy]

This is dumb. I agree it just sounds like someone pieced together all the "underman" achievements and took 2 more off. Sounds like something made up in vent after a night of drinking on WoW...

If Blizz wanted to see people 5 man Sarth or Maly, they would have made a 5 man version.

If people want to do Maly with 15 people, more power to them but making and achievement for ever 2 fewer people you bring is just useless. If that was the case, why don't they make a achievement for every boss in Outland to be solo'd! And every one drops a mount of themself! THAT WOULD BE SO COOL CAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL!!!!

[Coronius]

they released the blue dragonhawk mount for the mountain-o-mounts achievment, and that had nothing to do with current lure...now i understand it has nothin to do with current lore, i just want to ride a corehound haha

Well, the dragonhawk is still the national mount of the Blood Elves. So in a way, they're still "active" if you catch my drift.

[MangoSmash]

they released the blue dragonhawk mount for the mountain-o-mounts achievment, and that had nothing to do with current lure...now i understand it has nothin to do with current lore, i just want to ride a corehound haha

The thing is the Mountain-O-Mount is a general achievement as a reward for a collector which would mean that there is no lore attachment. But, this achievement is just another time sink of a slightly different existing achievement. We already did 20 man to waste a week.. no thanks on wasting another with 17. It's just unnecessary to think of an achievement just because you want to ride a mount.

I want to ride a Gnoll, but Blizzard won't allow that.
P.S. That title is just plain idiotic..

[Mitzcha]

Don't Core Hound have fire coming out of their backs? (insert Hot Seat, Fire Crotch, etc.. joke here) Still, it would be a fun mount.