Ret Ap from Str

[Strazback]

I've bin seeing alot of posts about what should / could be done to fix our dps issue in the upcoming patch.
Glyphs, talent changes, spell changes, but I'm yet to see what seems to me an easy fix without overhauling some major mechanics of the spec.

At present and I'm sure its the same on PTR we gain 2 ap per str. I know we get more from talent, buffs, and whatever else.

So heres my sort of solution, change the base amount of AP we gain from str to 3 or 2.6 or 2.8 whatever would help balance out the dps from spells and strikes that have ap in their equations. Because from what I've seen that Blizz is trying to do and the suggestion I've seen tweaking every spell glyph and talent 5% here 15% there just seems like alot of work for a similar end result that I think we could get from an AP increase.

So please let me know what ya think and no "OMG your noobness kills me". Just let me know if changing the AP would require a total rehaul of every spell strike and ability that depends on AP in its math.

[Nookius]

i think we would end up with a ton of attack power and be op. all blizz needs to do is adjust some spell coefficients and we'll be fine, or stop nerfing us every content patch only to realize a few incrimental patches later they over did it. then nerf us some moar :-(

to the ground, f u gc.

[Isollae]

Ghostcrawler made a post just a few days ago that ret dps on ptr is way to low. this means they are actively working right now to increase it. I'd personally expect to see something in the way of divine storm buff and (hopefully) a divergance away from seal of Blood/martyr


and its 2.2 ap, and your not a noob. and yes it COULD mean a total overhaul, but then that may be coming soon anyway.

[SolaronTich]

Actually if you factor in Divine Strength and Kings Ret gets 2.53 AP per point of Strength (base + on gear).

The only reason I would disagree with you about moving away from Seal of Blood is that

1) if Blizzard were to make Seal of Command the main Ret DPS seal by buffing it, PvPers would be whining, and regardless at that point Seal of Blood would then have no purpose, and would ultimately get removed, much like Seal of Leveling Weapon Skills.

2) Blizzard is unlikely to do this because Ret is a burst-based spec as it is and Blizzard has stated multiple times that they want to move away from having so many RNG-based things, and Seal of Casino is a very good example of this.

[amk]

The saddest part is that we have all kinds of room in our Ret tree for new talents. With between 12-14 points unallocated to talents that increase DPS, this leaves Blizz all kinds of room to create talents for things we are missing, such as expertise, Armor -> AP, etc.

[Adamson]

If you include kings the formula is actually

AP = 2(Strength x 1.25).

2.53 is a rounded answer and is incorrect. Close, but incorrect.

[thajury]

If you include kings the formula is actually

AP = 2(Strength x 1.25).

2.53 is a rounded answer and is incorrect. Close, but incorrect.

The multipliers from Divine Strength and Kings are multiplicative, not additive.

AP = 2 * (STR * 1.15 * 1.1)
AP = 2 * 1.265 * STR
AP = 2.53 * STR

[Adamson]

The multipliers from Divine Strength and Kings are multiplicative, not additive.

AP = 2 * (STR * 1.15 * 1.1)
AP = 2 * 1.265 * STR
AP = 2.53 * STR

Ah, okay that makes a bit more sense now. Thanks.

[Tigercat]

You didn't really expect someone that's anal enough to mention in their sig that their crit should be 0.04% higher than it is to stay silent if they thought a number was just a tiny bit off, did you? Even if it's right and they don't know it?

>.>

[Adamson]

You didn't really expect someone that's anal enough to mention in their sig that their crit should be 0.04% higher than it is to stay silent if they thought a number was just a tiny bit off, did you? Even if it's right and they don't know it?

>.>

Precisely

[amk]

You didn't really expect someone that's anal enough to mention in their sig that their crit should be 0.04% higher than it is to stay silent if they thought a number was just a tiny bit off, did you? Even if it's right and they don't know it?

>.>

You would think by now he would have gotten that last point?

Probably needs moar Hit rating; missing too often to get the skill point :P

[SolaronTich]

You would think by now he would have gotten that last point?

Probably needs moar Hit rating; missing too often to get the skill point :P

Oh no you didn't.

[Astray]

This will change "its a pity there are'n that many neckaces, rings and cloaks with strength on them" into "why the f*** are there so...?!?"

Strength already beats Hit, Crit , Exp and common sense, no need to "fix" us by making one stat even more superior.

[Kidneythief]

So heres my sort of solution, change the base amount of AP we gain from str to 3 or 2.6 or 2.8 whatever would help balance out the dps from spells and strikes that have ap in their equations. 

If they did that then they would have to increase the ap from agi for rogues/hunters/shaman. EDIT: Not to mention other classes that use str. Would be a pointless change as you could just buff paladin's slightly other ways much easier.

This will change "its a pity there are'n that many neckaces, rings and cloaks with strength on them" into "why the f*** are there so...?!?"

I've seen a few new of those with str instead of agi in the Ulduar loot, making my loot easier to get thank god.  Drape of the Deadly Foe is just retarded to try and get...

[Kidneythief]

it happens to rogues more then rets

I'll second that = /

[Tigercat]

I really like the idea of adding CS to RV.  It seems odd to me that a talent that's supposed to mimic deep wounds only works off a couple abilities, whereas deep wounds is any crit.  Now sure, it would be ridiculous for RV to work off any crit as long as it deals 10% of the attack's damage, but just two is a bit on the low side imo.

Edit: Typos..

[Adamson]

I really like the idea of adding CS to RV. It seems odd to me that a talent that's supposed to mimic deep wounds only works off a couple abilities, whereas deep wounds is any crit. Now sure, it would be ridiculous for RV to work off any crit as long as it deals 10% of the attack's damage, but just two is a bit on the low side imo.

Edit: Typos..

/agreed

[DaGhostDS]

I really like the idea of adding CS to RV. It seems odd to me that a talent that's supposed to mimic deep wounds only works off a couple abilities, whereas deep wounds is any crit. Now sure, it would be ridiculous for RV to work off any crit as long as it deals 10% of the attack's damage, but just two is a bit on the low side imo.

Edit: Typos..

/agreed too

[distantarray]

you know at first i thought this would be a good idea as well, increasing the ap from divine strength, then i thought to myself, EVERY RET WOULD GO JEWELCRAFTING THEN lol

JC is already better for ret than any other class in the game atm cause of our talent, imagine if they buffed it more? gg

[Deleted]

you know at first i thought this would be a good idea as well, increasing the ap from divine strength, then i thought to myself, EVERY RET WOULD GO JEWELCRAFTING THEN lol

JC is already better for ret than any other class in the game atm cause of our talent, imagine if they buffed it more? gg

We are getting 20 strenght gems in 3.10 not prismatic so the reason to get JC will be less interresting 27 strenght gems or 20 strenght and a some other kind of buff/scokets.
you can only equip 3 prismatics so that is a total of 21 strenght more.