BoH vs Jawbone as a Ret

[Requital]

Not trying to convince him. I'm simple allowing him to make himself took stupid.

But but but you did that soooooo long ago.

[Thellais]

BoH is better, end of story.

[greatrichie]

LOL this is still going on? It's been proven time and again that Betrayer is better. No if's, and's or but's. By people whose math I trust way more than the people in this thread. People can argue "well if I was in such and such gearset, using such and such trinket" all they want. In a correct gearset, Betrayer is ALWAYS better.

This thread is entertaining though, so we can keep this up as long as you want.

Edit: And I still haven't seen any hard numbers from the OP, so I'm taking this thread as a cry for help.

[towely420]

Since Max can't provide any proof I decided that I would give him the direct links to the posts on EJ that deal with this.

Here is the math:

More posts that agree with him:

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-r...5/#post1020529
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37843-r...4/#post1019257
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t36972-r...p5/#post989276

Notice the poster is a human paladin and BoH is better for him. He got these numbers using Rawr and BiS gear.

Care to comment now Max?

this thread is months old and does not factor in the changes in 3.1

[Jasunizer]

Well yes..

u mention EJ as the only real truth, thus many of their main articles we re writen when Uther was a kid.

The OP , i believe, really makes a point. I cannot see a reason why to bother lying over this.

To the guy that argues with OP over the last pages.. for the god\s sake, even myself got how the weapon speed works. OP plainly says that he gains 60dps over 0,2 BASE weapon speed, BUT when haste comes into account he DOES swings faster than u (Keeping the 60 dps on non-nrlzd attacks) .. jesus.

[greatrichie]

this thread is months old and does not factor in the changes in 3.1

OP isn't arguing about 3.1...

[towely420]

OP isn't arguing about 3.1...

just trying to focus the discussion on what's actually relevant

[greatrichie]

Until 3.1 is final, discussion about 3.1 isn't really relevant either though if you want to go that route. Chances are, they still might change some things up, so why argue about something that isn't even live yet? However, even with 3.1 numbers, Betrayer is still showing on top.

Dude said he tried it and shows no proof. I don't take some random nobodies word as fact, especially when I have both a Betrayer and Jawbone and I get better numbers with betrayer. Thats my whole deal with this thread. All it is, is some dude saying one is better with no real substance to the post.

[archform]

wait about a month and have better 2hs ready for you

[Samiel]

Ok, so what it boils down to is this, if you are the right race, if you have the right gear, BoH is BiS, otherwise, The Jawbone is as good if not better.

Hence, BoH isn't BiS by any farness, it isn't the uberness. Unless you are a Blood Elf or Draenai

So.


BoH

BiS for Blood Elf Paladins and Draenai Paladins

For Humans and Dwarves, The Jawbone is BiS, yes?

[greatrichie]

No. BoH is BiS for everyone.

[Adamson]

No. BoH is BiS for everyone.

Rich did you see the retard that factored in a weight stone for the jawbone's stats?

XD

[greatrichie]

Rich did you see the retard that factored in a weight stone for the jawbone's stats?

XD

LOL yeah I remember that discussion. Pretty much it was from when we could still use weightstones on lvl 80 weapons(it was a bug, and even then it didn't make Jawbone better), so then it was relevant. Still pretty funny to bring it up now though.

[Adamson]

LOL yeah I remember that discussion. Pretty much it was from when we could still use weightstones on lvl 80 weapons(it was a bug, and even then it didn't make Jawbone better), so then it was relevant. Still pretty funny to bring it up now though.

Yeah because .3% crit would really make a difference on anything, ever.

>:/

[greatrichie]

Yeah because .3% crit would really make a difference on anything, ever.

>:/

Ya never know! It could be like a world first Yogg kill, and you're the last raid member alive, and you're bubbled, and Yogg is down to like 15k health. You may want that .03% crit. Ya never know. lol.

[Nikoll]

i honestly didnt look at any posts since my last one one the first page. autop attacking with SoB BoH was ~600dps. Jawbone did 550dps.

3 stacks of vengance for both over attempts, zero buffs. over about a 3 min fight.

[Kuthumii]

this thread is months old and does not factor in the changes in 3.1

Maybe you should learn to read and understand what is being discussed. We were not talking about 3.1. Really, did you get dropped on your head?

[Kuthumii]

Well yes..

u mention EJ as the only real truth, thus many of their main articles we re writen when Uther was a kid.

The OP , i believe, really makes a point. I cannot see a reason why to bother lying over this.

To the guy that argues with OP over the last pages.. for the god\s sake, even myself got how the weapon speed works. OP plainly says that he gains 60dps over 0,2 BASE weapon speed, BUT when haste comes into account he DOES swings faster than u (Keeping the 60 dps on non-nrlzd attacks) .. jesus.

Seems you can't read either. I wasn't arguing over weapon speed idiot. I was pointing out that he can't make up his mind if I swing faster or not. When I pointed this out to him he changed the argument again.

I'll dumb it down for you"

Max: I swing faster!
Me: By .01? How does that matter?
Max: Okay, we swing the same speed.
Me: You just said you were faster?
Max: Well I get 60DPS more than you because my weapon is slower.


Is that clear enough for you? Or do I need to get my niece to type something for you?

[Soad0488]

Okay.

Take everything that Maxxumus said with the worlds largest grain of salt since his argument has little to no substance or backing for his claims. His methods of testing seem poor, and unreliable.

Once math, testing, proof and everything is properly posted, we can regard it as a proper claim.