[Enhancement] Discussion on Ulduar Loot List & BiS

[Soulflare]

Please keep in mind some older items (released before 3.1) are better than some items on this list and some drop locations may be incorrect or missing.

Best in Slot List

The BiS list below contains items with superior stats discovered so far, however they may not always be the best choice for your individual gear setup. I recommend using Rawr or Enhsim when deciding the actual gear you will use.

BiS list generated by Rawr v2.2.6 Optimizer. Optimized for highest dps rating with full 25 man raid buffs.

Main Hand: Golden Saronite Dragon
Off Hand: Caress of Insanity
Head: Conqueror's Worldbreaker Faceguard
Shoulder: Conqueror's Worldbreaker Shoulderguards
Chest: Conqueror's Worldbreaker Chestguard
Waist: Belt of Dragons
Legs: Conqueror's Worldbreaker War-Kilt
Feet: Greaves of Swift Vengeance
Wrist: Frost-bound Chain Bracers
Hands: Gloves of the Steady Hand
Back: Drape of Icy Intent
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity
Finger 1: Loop of the Agile
Finger 2: Godbane Signet
Trinket 1: Dark Matter
Trinket 2: Blood of the Old God
Relic: Furious Gladiator's Totem of Indomitability

An alternative setup would be Soul-Devouring Cinch instead of Belt of Dragons and Brann's Signet Ring instead of Godbane Signet.


Weapons

Golden Saronite Dragon - Flame Leviathan (25-Hard).
Insanity's Grip - Mimiron (25).
The Masticator - Iron Council (10-Hard).

Vulmir, the Northern Tempest - Thorim (25).
Touch of Madness - Yogg-Saron (10).
Caress of Insanity - Yogg-Saron (10-Hard).

Head

Boundless Gaze - Algalon (25)
Conqueror's Worldbreaker Faceguard - Thorim (25) or 58 Emblem of Conquest.
Valorous Worldbreaker Faceguard - Mimiron (10).
Helm of the Furnace Master - Ignis (25).
Circlet of True Sight - Iron Council (10).

Shoulder

Conqueror's Worldbreaker Shoulderguards - Yogg-Saron (25).
Valorous Worldbreaker Shoulderguards - Thorim (10).
Iron-studded Mantle - Iron Council (25).
Mantle of Fiery Vengeance - Flame Leviathan (10-Hard).
Shoulders of Misfortune - Trash Mobs (25).
Ironaya's Discarded Mantle - Auriaya (10).

Chest

Conqueror's Worldbreaker Chestguard - Hodir (25) or 58 Emblem of Conquest.
Valorous Worldbreaker Chestguard - Yogg-Saron (10).
Chestguard of Insidious Intent - Yogg-Saron (25).
Chestguard of the Lasher - Freya (10).

Waist

Belt of the Betrayed - Thorim (25).
Belt of the Blood Pit - Thorim (10).
Belt of Dragons - Leatherworking BoE.
Belt of the Ardent Marksman - 28 Emblem of Conquest.
Soul-Devouring Cinch - Yogg-Saron (10-Hard).

Legs

Conqueror's Worldbreaker War-Kilt - Freya (25) or Emalon (25).
Valorous Worldbreaker War-Kilt - Hodir (10).
Darkcore Leggings - General Vezax (25).
Leggings of the Tireless Sentry - 39 Emblem of Conquest.
Saronite Mesh Legguards - Razorscale (25).
Leggings of the Insatiable - Yogg-Saron (10).

Feet

Boots of Living Scale - Leatherworking BoE.
Brass-lined Boots - XT-002 (25).
Boots of Unsettled Prey - General Vezax (10).
Greaves of Swift Vengeance - Iron Council (25-Hard).
Tempered Mercury Greaves - Mimiron (10-Hard).

Wrist

Frost-bound Chain Bracers - Hodir (25).
Bracers of the Smothering Inferno - Razorscale (10).

Hands

Conqueror's Worldbreaker Grips - Mimiron (25) or Emalon (25).
Valorous Worldbreaker Grips - Freya (10) or Emalon (10).
Gloves of the Fiery Behemoth - Flame Leviathan (25).
Gloves of Unerring Aim - 25 Emblem of Conquest.
Gloves of Taut Grip - XT-002 (10).
Gloves of the Steady Hand - XT-002 (25-Hard).

Back

Drape of Icy Intent - Hodir (25-Hard?).
Drape of the Faceless General - General Vezax (10-Hard).
Drape of the Lithe - Iron Council (25).
Shawl of the Shattered Giant - Kologarn (10).
Winter's Frigid Embrace - Hodir (10).

Neck

Broach of the Wailing Night - 19 Emblem of Conquest.
Nymph Heart Charm - Freya (25).
Choker of the Abyss - General Vezax (10).
Pendulum of Infinity - General Vezax (25-Hard).
Seed of Budding Carnage - Freya (10-Hard).

Ring

Cindershard Ring - Ignis (25).
Godbane Signet - Yogg-Saron (25).
Loop of the Agile - Iron Council (10-Hard).
Metallic Loop of the Sufferer - General Vezax (25).
Band of Draconic Guile - Razorscale (10).
Band of Lights - Algalon (10).
Brann's Sealing Ring - Algalon (10) Quest Reward.
Brann's Signet Ring - Algalon (25) Quest Reward.

Trinket

Blood of the Old God - Yogg-Saron (25).
Mjolnir Runestone - Thorim (10-Hard).
Vanquished Clutches of Yogg-Saron - Yogg-Saron (25).
Wrathstone - Kologarn (25).
Pyrite Infuser - Flame Leviathan (10).
Elemental Focus Stone - Auriaya (10).
Dark Matter - Algalon (10).

Totem

Totem of the Dancing Flame - Ignis (25).

[Soulflare]

Please leave a post if you have updated information on the items in the above list or if you would like to add a new item to the list.

[IhatePvE]

Good thing, thx for it.

[Miranger]

Great List now we need to get some EP values for everyone on these.
Drape of the Faceless General seems like a great cape (first time i see it) definitely aiming to pick that up for myself!

[Barawr]

Agreed. ATM, that cloak will be BiS for us.

[Soulflare]

Would someone be able to give me a set of sample EP values for an enhancement shaman in full 25 Naxx/OS/EoE gear? Expertise capped, spell hit capped.

[lildave151]

The problem is everyone's ep's are going to come out different but to give an example, I posted mine recently on another thread. http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=51122.0 Note: to get more accurate exp/hit numbers, I had it calc via negative values so those ep's reflect dps as if losing those stats since gaining them over cap is rather pointless (exp more than hit of course).

[Cantii]

The problem is everyone's ep's are going to come out different but to give an example, I posted mine recently on another thread. http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=51122.0 Note: to get more accurate exp/hit numbers, I had it calc via negative values so those ep's reflect dps as if losing those stats since gaining them over cap is rather pointless (exp more than hit of course).

Meh... calculating EP values using EnhSim still escapes me, even after I've read over the FAQ and such on the EnhSim site... numbers just really escape me in general. Any clue on an easy way to start weighing and calculating EP values to get a base to work from? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as it's telling me MP5 has an EP of like 11 for me... I don't think that's right.

[Soulflare]

The problem is everyone's ep's are going to come out different but to give an example, I posted mine recently on another thread. http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=51122.0 Note: to get more accurate exp/hit numbers, I had it calc via negative values so those ep's reflect dps as if losing those stats since gaining them over cap is rather pointless (exp more than hit of course).

Yes I'm aware of this but right now most of the enhancement shaman going into Ulduar 25 raiding will be having almost identical gear and stats, so the EP values will be somewhat similar and I could use this to order the items. Obviously everyone should run sims on their gear for the best results.

[Levva]

Meh... calculating EP values using EnhSim still escapes me, even after I've read over the FAQ and such on the EnhSim site... numbers just really escape me in general. Any clue on an easy way to start weighing and calculating EP values to get a base to work from? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as it's telling me MP5 has an EP of like 11 for me... I don't think that's right.

If its saying MP5 has a value like that its due to two reasons, 1 you left simulate mana ticked, 2 you forgot to include any means of getting mana regen (talents, buffs, abilities in rotation).

EP values are an incredibly useful method of understanding your gear, however they are also incredibly transitory. They are ONLY useful for the gear you calculate with. As soon as you change ANYTHING in your gear you need to recalculate for the new numbers. For some changes the figures will be relatively stable but as you have seen around the caps (expertise/hit rating) they are wildly varying.

Instead you need to ask why you want to know EP numbers. What purpose do you want to put them too, that will determine the correct answer for how to use them.

[Illojim]

Am I the only one thinking that not a lot of the gear in Ulduar is upgrades? Most of the non-tier gear I've seen that is comparable would require me to gem for more hit and expertise that I lose on the new pieces thus making it not an upgrade at all, a sidegrade at best.

I'm currently decked in all best in slot gear from pre-3.1 with the exception of my cloak which is Hammerhead Sharkskin since I never got a Drape of the Deadly Foes drop.

I'm currently looking at trying to get a hold of two Vulmir's for the hit and expertise on them so that I can take new pieces with better stats than my current gear. It just seems that nearly all the new mail is lacking in the hit and expertise (and sockets) that my gear currently has.

[Levva]

Am I the only one thinking that not a lot of the gear in Ulduar is upgrades? Most of the non-tier gear I've seen that is comparable would require me to gem for more hit and expertise that I lose on the new pieces thus making it not an upgrade at all, a sidegrade at best.

I'm currently decked in all best in slot gear from pre-3.1 with the exception of my cloak which is Hammerhead Sharkskin since I never got a Drape of the Deadly Foes drop.

I'm currently looking at trying to get a hold of two Vulmir's for the hit and expertise on them so that I can take new pieces with better stats than my current gear. It just seems that nearly all the new mail is lacking in the hit and expertise (and sockets) that my gear currently has.

Armory if you would like to take a look: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...7Thuzad&n=Ankt

Of course you regem for hit & expertise to rebalance upgraded gear that doesn't in any way mean its a side grade. Our new expertise from talents means we don't expect expertise on mail gear that was the entire rational behind us arguing for expertise from talents in the first place, we don't need it from mail gear. There is plenty expertise available from jewelery, trinkets, weapons, tier gear, without needing to get it from other gear.

[TenDance]

Browsing the Arsenal out of curiosity i stumbled upon a weapon i've never heard of.

It's named "Caress of Insanity".

Does anyone know the source of this Weapon? I'm pretty aware of the fact that this weapon is a lesser Upgrade compared to Vulmir. But... since I'm not the God of Loot I want to know about any possible upgrade there is available, especially for replacing my Offhand AD.

My guess is... this Weapon's source seems pretty similar to the one where we would get "Aesuga".

@BiS back:

Seeing EP-Values for haste like 1,9 are pretty common in those days I can't see why there is any doubt that Drape of Icy Intent will be a better choice than Drape of the Faceless General. The Stats on Icy Intent are pretty useful, maybe the "collection" of stats on the Faceless General's seems to be more appealing, but the mere Itemlevel of Icy Intent (Ulduar 25 - Hardmode -> 239) should overpower this issue easily.

One could say that the Hit on Icy Intent isn't such a good stat, but I tend to think about Hit the following way:

- whitehits that don't hit can't add a MW-Stack
- a lot of haste will lead to more swings but also to more misses.
- If we do more swings per time the contribution of whitehits to our Attacktable becomes larger.
- If whitehits become a more important issue a simple logic would be that Hit past the Spellhitcap becomes more valuable.

Since whitehits are a major source of MW-Stacks this is in my opinion something to keep in mind.
I wouldn't gem for haste, I wouldn't gem for hit past the softcap, but since there is a whole lot of haste on most of the Ulduar Items we will have to deal with haste - and think about how to put it to use.

[Chongar]

Browsing the Arsenal out of curiosity i stumbled upon a weapon i've never heard of.

It's named "Caress of Insanity".

Going by the item level, it looks like a 10-man hard mode drop. Maybe Yogg-Saron going by the name.

[myrddinde]

Am I the only one thinking that not a lot of the gear in Ulduar is upgrades? Most of the non-tier gear I've seen that is comparable would require me to gem for more hit and expertise that I lose on the new pieces thus making it not an upgrade at all, a sidegrade at best.

I think it is horrible itemized. Lots of arp and haste Zzzz

[Illojim]

The haste isn't bad. ArP is ok but I would rather have crit which seems to be lacking on a lot of pieces. They loaded everything up with ArP and haste.

Of course you regem for hit & expertise to rebalance upgraded gear that doesn't in any way mean its a side grade.

It is a sidegrade if I end up with the nearly same stats as before due to losing AP gems for Hit or Expertise gems.

[Barawr]

I think it is horrible itemized. Lots of arp and haste Zzzz

You do realize haste is working out to be our 2nd to 3rd best stat now? For me when sim'ing I actually had:

AP - 2
Haste - 1.95

So don't count out haste as being anything but a useful stat now.

[Heilt]

You do realize haste is working out to be our 2nd to 3rd best stat now? For me when sim'ing I actually had:

AP - 2
Haste - 1.95

So don't count out haste as being anything but a useful stat now.

My haste was also close to 1.95, but ArP was down around 1.65.

[myrddinde]

You do realize haste is working out to be our 2nd to 3rd best stat now? For me when sim'ing I actually had:

AP - 2
Haste - 1.95

So don't count out haste as being anything but a useful stat now.

I don't give much what sims say. They are only as good as the information we claim to have about mechanics. They do not resemble real dame encounters, more like optimized fights. I trust my guts more than a sim and for now it seems to work out quite decent.

[Soulflare]

I think it is horrible itemized. Lots of arp and haste Zzzz

I agree with you on the too much ArP. However haste is a very valuable stat, for me it has one of the highest EP values atm.