[Enhancement] Discussion on Ulduar Loot List & BiS

[Zakka]

What I'm simming up

Head: t8.5
Neck: Pendulum of Infinity
Shoulders: Shoulderpads of the Intruder
Cloak: Drape of Icy Intent
Chest: t8.5
Bracers: Frost-bound Chain Bracers
Main Hand: Golden Saronite Dragon
Off Hand: Caress of Insanity
Totem: Totem of Misery
Gloves: t8.5
Waist: Belt of Dragons
Legs: t8.5
Feet: Greaves of Swift Vengeance
Ring 1: Loop of the Agile
Ring 2: Metallic Loop of the Sufferer
Trinket 1: Mjolnir Runestone
Trinket 2: Elemental Focus Stone

25 expertise 0.07% to cap
482 hit
510 haste
0 ArmPen

I'm not using leather, sorry. I prefer Shoulders of Misfortune, and Godbane Signet instead of Metallic loop


About the totem.. humm very nice choice!

[olaf4uduh]

Sorry but with the changes to algalon helm(+112ap) it boosts it higher than any other offpiece. Also dark matter doesn't sim as good as you might think. Remember you have to add +112 ap, so the total is 4536.
http://chardev.org/?template=219064

[Omanley]

interestign setup, didn´t know about the changes to algalon helm... but wouldn´t loop of the agile be better than godbane signet? switching two ap gems wir expertise and you would sit on exactly 140 expertise rating. trade off would be:

loop: godbane:

17 agility 82 attackpower
32 haste
3 crit

assuming haste & crit are roughly the same in value ( 1.8 or so ) we´d have 35 x 1.8 + 17 x ( 1.6 ) ( just estimating here ofc ):

90.2 vs 82

it´s only estimated as is said, but it seems to be at least equal if not better

[Zakka]

interestign setup, didn´t know about the changes to algalon helm... but wouldn´t loop of the agile be better than godbane signet? switching two ap gems wir expertise and you would sit on exactly 140 expertise rating. trade off would be:

loop: godbane:

17 agility 82 attackpower
32 haste
3 crit

assuming haste & crit are roughly the same in value ( 1.8 or so ) we´d have 35 x 1.8 + 17 x ( 1.6 ) ( just estimating here ofc ):

90.2 vs 82

it´s only estimated as is said, but it seems to be at least equal if not better

You should be using loop of the agile AND godbane.

[Omanley]

i think algalon 25 man is superior to godbane signet as well .

http://chardev.org/?template=219749

pretty neat site, i figured i registrate and put together and show what i think of as BiS

( the setup takes my professions in account, alchemy & engineering, so the hand-enchant is the only attention attracting )

as second trinket i took the one of yogg-saron 10man +0 watchers, as it has more crit than any other trinket ingame plus the spawned tentacles, which seem to melee hit for 2k or something. the trinket isn´t really common yet and hard to sim so it might not be BiS really.

[Fornaw]

Does anyone else have rawr spit back hit as a better stat than haste, post spell hit cap? I know hit isn't worthless, but when I plug it into enh sim it goes something like haste>ap>crit>hit>arpen rawr gives something like hit>ap>haste>crit>arpen, and tells me to resocket all my AP to hit (working with expertise capped so it's not on the list).

[Heilt]

From my latest sims and gear check I found that Tempered Mercury Greaves come out on top above Greaves of Swift Vengeance. Anyone else get this as well? Heres my armory.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...hadgar&n=Heilt

[Omanley]

updatet my character sheed to jc/random as profession to make it better comparable to olaf4uduh´s

http://chardev.org/?template=222195

[olaf4uduh]

updatet my character sheed to jc/random as profession to make it better comparable to olaf4uduh´s

http://chardev.org/?template=222195

I was messing around with yours, and it's just a small thing but if u switch godbane for loop of the agile, and then change the 2 16xpt gems to 2 32aps, you gain 65 AP, and lose 32 haste, so as long as your EP for haste is lower than 2.03 the godbane route should be better. I left dark matter in, althought it hasn't simmed that well for me. Botog + Rune stone for me, beat botog+dark matter, or runestone + darkmatter. Also not sure if I changed something or it's bugged but you can change the 16ap/8hit to a 16ap/8crit and still be hit capped. here's what I got messing around with it:
http://www.chardev.org/?template=223275

[Omanley]

I was messing around with yours, and it's just a small thing but if u switch godbane for loop of the agile, and then change the 2 16xpt gems to 2 32aps, you gain 65 AP, and lose 32 haste, so as long as your EP for haste is lower than 2.03 the godbane route should be better

.27% crit is what you´re losing additionally as Lota has more agi and crit.

in terms of trinkets it´s hard to find a favorite. the vanquished tentacle trinket from yogg +0 watchers is clearly superior in terms of passive bonus, but the "on use" effect isn´t that easy to compare.

however, if they ( tentacles ) are really hitting for 2k or something, im positive that it beats the shit out of runestone

Botog has a very nice proc, im still not that sure about the passive bonus though. it seems hit is still good enough to make the trinket a serious contender for BiS, even with being many points beyond cap.

[Farosarg]

From my latest sims and gear check I found that Tempered Mercury Greaves come out on top above Greaves of Swift Vengeance. Anyone else get this as well? Heres my armory.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...hadgar&n=Heilt

In my eyes the mimiron boots should be a serious upgrade. I made a pact with our hunter that if Steelbreaker happens to drop the boots he should get priority (as SV hunter he benefits from agi more) and I'd get priority over the mimiron ones.

[Zensai]

Tempered Mercury Greaves are better then the Greaves of Swift Vengeance. Also Comet's Trail comes out ahead of Dark Matter.

I'm wearing pretty close to BiS all around, I might switch my rings around for Bran's and Loop of the Agile, and I might try the Steady gloves.


Dukkon of Dark Iron

[Levva]

Does anyone else have rawr spit back hit as a better stat than haste, post spell hit cap? I know hit isn't worthless, but when I plug it into enh sim it goes something like haste>ap>crit>hit>arpen rawr gives something like hit>ap>haste>crit>arpen, and tells me to resocket all my AP to hit (working with expertise capped so it's not on the list).

This sounds really really flawed. When you say Rawr "tells you to resocket all your AP to hit" what do you actually mean? Do you mean that you run the optimiser and it changes all your AP gems to hit gems? Can you provide your XML file to show me that effect.

Or do you mean that you completely fail to understand how Rawr works and you are talking about relative stat values? I don't know how many times I need to say this an EP value (relative stat value) that comes out top DOES NOT and NEVER HAS meant regem everything for that stat. That is true whether you use EnhSim or Rawr.

On the other hand if you have genuinely found a bug please give me the XML file so I can fix it.

[Levva]

I was messing around with yours, and it's just a small thing but if u switch godbane for loop of the agile, and then change the 2 16xpt gems to 2 32aps, you gain 65 AP, and lose 32 haste, so as long as your EP for haste is lower than 2.03 the godbane route should be better. I left dark matter in, althought it hasn't simmed that well for me. Botog + Rune stone for me, beat botog+dark matter, or runestone + darkmatter. Also not sure if I changed something or it's bugged but you can change the 16ap/8hit to a 16ap/8crit and still be hit capped. here's what I got messing around with it:
http://www.chardev.org/?template=223275

No it doesn't the EP values ARE A GUIDE they are NOT and never have been ABSOLUTES. What you should be doing is looking at one setup, simming it and getting a result. Check the EP values to get a guide to where improvements MIGHT be made change that around in the Sim and re-run the sim to CHECK if the result it better.

It is completely and utterly wrong to "stack" ANY stat simply because it has an EP value greater than 2. This completely misunderstands what an EP value actually is.

[carnavas]

Which totem is looking best for 3.3?

[Levva]

Removing the sticky on this, as Ulduar is old news.