Improper Raid Etiquette

[Shjade]

Lol. I have known people to do that. I don't understand how people can die there, I have seen people run right into them. The die, get ressed and do it again, making no effort to avoid them whatsoever.

It's a roulette wheel for me. 90% of the time I get through frogger fine, then some nights phantom lag jumps in so that I die in between slimes every time I try to get through, despite seeing myself as being at least 5 yards from the nearest slime when I pass through the lines and the fact that the slime detonates a good two seconds after I've passed it.

Lag sucks for environmental gimmicks. :|

Heigan's the same way for some of my guildies. It's never killed me, but I have taken a hit now and then when it didn't look like I should have, so I can see how people with worse lag would take two or three and die.

[Evilsoap]

I personally hate people who continues doing BGs or their dailies instead of making their way to the instance after they get in my raid, then ask for a summon when everyone else is already there. Those people get a swift boot from me. I'm glad not everyone thinks like me though, because I'm sure I've been guilty of this more than once.

[Skez]

You forgot the "Damage Meters report from 25 peoples damage and healing after every boss/big trashpacks".
Why not shorten it down to top 5 and link in /say. Everyone will still see it.

[Fishydoom]

I have to say I have randomly left raids in naxx when we wiped on Anub'Rekhan before the first locusts swarm and our average dps was around 1k. I'm wondering if other people would consider this being impolite like the people above said or just being realistic.

[fletch13]

Personally, when I am healing and we wipe I flat out will not rez people. Q_Q about me being an asshole all you want but when you are in a raid of 25people and the only people that run back are 2 healers...

and @ Doctor Hilarious, there are clearly times when you can tell that someone is buffing the entire raid with single buff because they just didn't buy regents and not because they are "the harder working ones". (and maybe you should get off of your high horse and read some patch notes, Blessing of Salv has not been in the game for quite a while now...no matter how often people still ask for it)

[Karadros]

Your =/= You're

[Heywes]

Flipping idiots that walk into a PUG and instantly think that everyone should act in only one way and that is their way, stating that everyone else that doesn't follow their "etiquette" rules is obviously wrong and retarded.

Seriously, It's a PUG. It's 25 random People.

Your an idiot and more then likely one of those that participate in one of the listed 10 actions.

[Karadros]

Your =/= You're

Your an idiot...

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[Atty]

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He definately didn't do that on purpose.

[Karadros]

He definately didn't do that on purpose.

I see what you did there. And it burns.

[Daedelus]

I see what you did there. And it burns.

Your being to elitist...

[Doctor Hilarious]

Llyech, by "when" I meant "back in the time that the following was the case", as in the phrase, "when I was a kid". Had I said "whenever", I could see your point, as it is, you disappoint me (if you don't understand, then you should ask a question). Try again when you have a valid complaint.

And yes, we've all been in raids with "that pally" who won't buff people, leading to choruses of "Kings please!", but I merely meant to remind people that the fundamental attribution error, is, in fact, an error, so try not to commit it. Put simply, setting out to vindictively (yes, I'm splitting that infinitive to make a political statement) condemn actions because you want to assume some negative state of being behind the action will lead to looking foolish (at least in the eyes of some).

Daedalus, shouldn't you be trying to escape Crete rather than criticizing people believing words should be used to mean what the words mean, in sharp contradistinction to the practices of some posters? Your anti-semantism won't fly here.

[Karadros]

Your being to elitist...

ARGH, THE PAIN!!

[Zedthetank]

raid leaders that think they're all that

[archform]

ARGH, THE PAIN!!

*poke*

[Moosemaster]

wow... i can't believe you took the time to make this... you should really try to get away from this game

[Jaxel]

Lol. I have known people to do that. I don't understand how people can die there, I have seen people run right into them. The die, get ressed and do it again, making no effort to avoid them whatsoever.

Actually,there is that thing called server lag,i guess,you are always 1second behind the server,I died in one raid like 3 times in a row,while I was walking EXACTLY between them, then I tried to be faster,and walk behind one,and it was okay,I could be wrong,but I heard about this many times :P

[archform]

wow... i can't believe you took the time to make this... you should really try to get away from this game

how long does it take to type that?

20min max
wow
thats just a huge chuck of someone life gone out the window
ppl in the game waste more time doing nothing
*i have while waiting for a raid...couldnt quest...*cry*
*maybe look at AH a bit..

also in noblegarden when im taking it everytime it pops and ppl still trying to get it
they keep trying for a long long long long long time
while some stay for 10min then leave

alot of ppl wasted alot of time in noblegarden
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[Trollpatrol]

You do realize that when making a list of things you don't think people should do, it's worth noting that you should avoid also including things people SHOULD do, or, more sensibly, employ negations to maintain the continuity of effect of your list, otherwise, it's hardly better than gibberish.

You call this a list of improper raid etiquette, and list things you find improper, like "portal popping", and things that you think people ought to do, like running back after a wipe.

Next, "Ghetto buffs"...
You get that the 30 minute variants are applied across every member of a certain class in the, right? Because reading your rather rash reaction, I have to say I feel that you have never played a paladin in a raid with a pally that needs might, one that needs wisdom, and one sanct. Or imagine the madness of a druids... Even more so when the better geared ones might need salv instead of what the rest of that spec need. Now sure, if you're lucky, each pally can give one buff to almost everyone, but you won't always have that many pallies. In my experience, the pallies that give the ten minute buff are the harder working ones, who clearly don't need to be a victim of your judgment.

Also, Nax had quite a few places wherein releasing and running back took longer than getting a rez if possible. But I do agree that if the raid manages to wipe close to the instance, or, for whatever reason, enough people die in a location that it would be faster to have people run back in than wait for a rez, by all means, run back in.

The addition I would recommend to the list of things people shouldn't do is, self-righteous, or pseudo-pious list making.

You're not nearly as hilarious as your name would imply.

Also, +1 to the OP. Dropping portals on food doesn't make you funny or 1337, it just makes 24 people who won't want to put up with your shit next time they make a group.

[psicorp]

raid etiquette is fine and of course there is certain things its really not a great idea to do, pulling the plug, ninjaing, spamming rolls on loot that's not yours, yeah, i figure that qualifies. but other then that, its open to interpretation. i personally am not a big fan of damage meters, but there are guilds who specifically get the full 25 after each boss and every 4 ulls so they know exactly who is pulling there weight, and who is skating by with a bunch of AoE dps on pugs and then wanding the boss. been in a few PuGs that do that to.

and vent. oh dear god vent rules. as far as vent is concerned there is like maybe 3 commandments, and thats it.

1) HAVE IT. nobody wants to spend 15 minutes trying to type out the damn fights for that one dumb ass when it could be spoken for the whole raid in 2 minutes

2) turn your push to talk key on. this isnt just for other's ears, its for your dignity. and by the way, just go take out the damn garbage all ready, she has told you like 8 times by now

3) don't ear fuck people. seriously, turn off your voice modulator, pay the extra $2.99 and get a head set that isn't going to feedback or loop every other comment, and dont scream into the mike.

thats it. sarcasm, lame jokes, thats not part of general etiquette, thats your own personal rules on the subject. to a certain point you could say the raid leader or vent owner has a certain amount of say, but only so much as he is given. i remember a 25 naxx pug where we were just sailing, no dps had under 2.5k dps, we had one shot two wings without the slightest thing going wrong. and in vent we were just laughing and carrying on during trash. we shut up for bosses of course, but we had all dodged the slow moving slimes before, if you catch my drift. and the RL is losing his mind. he literally kicked the main TANK after he told RL to lighten up, and a couple of dps with him. the rest of us basically told him to fuck himself and bailed.

i told that story to illustrate one point about raid etiquette. you can try to control vent chatter, but in a PuG, you NEED the other 24 people with you. you gotta make the call whether at what point its worth losing members because you dont like chuck norris jokes or whatever. if its causing boss wipes or something, thats one thing, but if your so srs bizness your killing your PuGs that are actually kicking the raid's ass, its not there fault, its yours.