51/0/20 Vs 12/0/59

[Daamus]

Im talkin about 25man, never thought about gemming for armpen i just assumed that there really isnt a better stat to gem for then +str. I roll around with 260 armpen already, which is like 22% or something like that, im just gonna let the gear i get fill in the armpen. If i was rich i would totally regem and check it out, but i dont care that much lol

[MooDK]

Gemming ArP isnt worth it when you dont have that much of it.

[quikly]

Gemming ArP isnt worth it when you dont have that much of it.

well when should you get more ArP? since there isnt really a cap to it right now. what is a good number to shoot for?

[Deathalot]

No gems what so ever - 30% on me. I have decided to stack ArP gear instead of gems. And it seems to be working great

[quikly]

something i noticed yesterday while checking ensidia's raiding DKs and their guide for DK, they suggest 51/2/18 instead of 51/0/20, any reason as to why that would be?

[Deathalot]

130 RP means 1 more Deathcoil each rotation and some secounds longer DRW. But you have to sacrifise either Blood Caked Blade, Necrosis, or Epedemic. Wich i dont see like a good change.

[quikly]

130 RP means 1 more Deathcoil each rotation and some secounds longer DRW. But you have to sacrifise either Blood Caked Blade, Necrosis, or Epedemic. Wich i dont see like a good change.

ya it doesnt seem like a good change, i am going to try the 51/2/18 for a farm boss or 2 and see how it compares to 51/0/20. preferably i will stick with 51/0/20 though.

[Nomk]

130 RP means 1 more Deathcoil each rotation and some secounds longer DRW. But you have to sacrifise either Blood Caked Blade, Necrosis, or Epedemic. Wich i dont see like a good change.

i actually got all of those plus the 30 runepower. http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMVh0IcfofostMZfMh0xc
so i either lose (from the 51/0/20 builds ive seen) 2/3 revenous dead or 2/2 Night of the dead.
which doesnt really sound all that diddly.
i like the 3 extra seconds of DRW i get with runic power mastery talent, that + glyph gives me quite a nice and long dmg burst.

but im open for suggestions, where do u think i should put those 2 talent points.

[Deathalot]

Im just regem'd Armor pene - im at 41% now, with 4000AP unbuffed. Ill test it in a few days in ulduar, and give you guy's some feedback. About the Ravenous (?) dead. Do NOT take points out of it. Its friggin imba. And NotD i'd rather not take. I'd either have 2 points in epedemic. Since that gives you 1-2 secounds to fire of some Deathcoils, while the diseases are still ticking.

[Rothulean]

8035 dps tonight on XT-002 10 man without windfury/icy talons, flask, or army of the dead. (Yes, without). 51/0/20. 472 ArP with food.

[goliathus]

what is your spell rotation damn my gear is great and i love blood but i must admit my dps outtage is crap tbh im getting round about 4300dps and thats with hysteria on,now i tried blood and yes from the test dummy unholy is better but my play style is blood have a look at my armoty and lemme know what u think!

[diseous]

8035 dps tonight on XT-002 10 man without windfury/icy talons, flask, or army of the dead. (Yes, without). 51/0/20. 472 ArP with food.

WWS or it didnt happen

Not saying it didn't, but I am curious to see if you light or gravity bombed anyone

[Rothulean]

WWS or it didnt happen

Not saying it didn't, but I am curious to see if you light or gravity bombed anyone

It did happen. Never got gravity or light bomb once. Heres a 25 man XT-002 with full buffs and abilities used. ArP now up to 516.

http://wowwebstats.com/o6zr6iqmwlalq?s=328069-384629

8800 DPS in a 5 minute fight. When our guild gets better dps, that number will go nowhere but up.

[chris1402]

I have yet to come across an unholy or frost DK that put's out more dps than me (blood 51/0/20) Im in 50% naxx 50% Ulduar, with 30% ArmorPene and 4150AP unbuffed

AGREE!!!

[Rothulean]

Also keep in mind...Im still using Sarth 10 gloves, a crafted ring, and a UD10 weapon.

[diseous]

It did happen. Never got gravity or light bomb once. Heres a 25 man XT-002 with full buffs and abilities used. ArP now up to 516.

http://wowwebstats.com/o6zr6iqmwlalq?s=328069-384629

8800 DPS in a 5 minute fight. When our guild gets better dps, that number will go nowhere but up.

Fuck me dude! A 27k HS crit?!?!

/bow

I cower before your greatness

[Deathalot]

7 trinket procc's u lucky bastard

[C0ldBLd3dAsas1n]

7 from greatness alone! 6 from GT NICE ON THE CRIT!!!!!

[Amstelkid]

51-0-20, and variations of it, is better burst. So in short fights, then 51-0-20 wins.

12-0-59 has better steady dps, making it better in long fights.

in "medium long" fights, then it's quite equal.

Though, the upgraded spec to 12-0-59, which is 0-10-61 has been proven to be the best DK spec when you have gear for it (meaning almost full ulduar gear).


Unholy is n1, close followed by blood, and a behind those are frost. (this is assuming ulduar gear)

I've seen a DK with (5/5) T7.5 And having Betrayer of Humanity do around 5.5k dps in VoA 25 man. It not like you see that DPS pop up randomly in a PuG.

So yeah, Blood atm is best burst for Ulduar 10 man but when you go 25 man then frost kicks any other DK's spec for DPS.

[Rothulean]

I've seen a DK with (5/5) T7.5 And having Betrayer of Humanity do around 5.5k dps in VoA 25 man. It not like you see that DPS pop up randomly in a PuG.

So yeah, Blood atm is best burst for Ulduar 10 man but when you go 25 man then frost kicks any other DK's spec for DPS.

Why dont you check a couple posts up in the thread. This idea that Blood is a burst spec and nothing else is crap.