DK dps

[Aragaarn]

Hello there. I am an unholy deathknight, here is my armory
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...her&n=Aragaarn

I feel I am well geared with many pieces of lvl 213 gear, some 200 gear and one 219. However, I seem to only be doing around 3.5k -4k dps in 25man naxx. On fights like patchwerk i sometimes get around 4.5k-5k or so, but other fights.... not so much. It seems like I am being out dpsed by other classes like rogues and mages with the same level of gear as me..... by like 500-1k dps.
My rotation is
IT-PS-BS-BS-SS
SS-SS-SS
with death coils thrown in whenever runes are on CD and i have runic power. I have glyph of SS, so many times i dont need to use IT and PS again, i just do another SS.


Are there any suggestions you have? Because it seems like I should be doing more damage than I am now.

[CookieEater]

Do you keep Unholy Blight and Bone Armor up and do you use Summon Gargoyle on every cooldown?

[Aragaarn]

Yes yes and Yes

[CookieEater]

Okay, obvious problems are not the cause of your issues.

Lets see that profile... well, Black Ice is way better than Bladed Armor AND 2h Specialisation as Unholy. Speccing for that will increase your DPS for sure.

[mäydie]

It seems like I am being out dpsed by other classes like rogues and mages with the same level of gear as me..... by like 500-1k dps.

As well you should be. If someone playing a pure dps class knows what they're doing, i'd wager they could out dps you with less equivalent gear, as it should be. Just because DKs and Boomkins and fury Warriors have been out dpsing everyone for all this time, doesn't mean that's how it should be, hence blizz fixed it. Are you guys having problems with DPS somewhere? I seriously doubt with around 4k on boss fights that you'd be getting subbed out, so I don't really see the problem here.

[Aragaarn]

I seriously doubt with around 4k on boss fights that you'd be getting subbed out, so I don't really see the problem here.

Thanks for the info, I guess your right that pure dps classes would do more dps than me. So should I get rid of bladed armor and/or 2h specialization for black ice?


Also, @maydie funny story regarding your quote above:
So I'm having a busy week this week and was only able to do 25nax last friday. I go in a pug thats a geared group that only has thaddius, spider, and plague left, along with sapp and kel. Everything goes great, but we wipe twice on kel because we have 3 ranged dps and about 12 melee and we didn't have enough aoe healz. I was around 4th or 5th on the dps charts for the whole raid.... but the leader says that he needs to boot 5 melee so more ranged can come in. He boots me and two of my guildies(a fury warrior and another dK) who were also near the top of the meters..... he based who he was kicking out of the raid solely on the dps meters from the first two attempts of phase 1 of kel'thuzad.........

Which as anyone who has raided naxx, clearly understands that that is probably one of the worst parts of naxx to rate dps off of. It ends up the the people he invited after kicking five of use were his guildies, and two of them were melee dps.....

[telemain]

Thanks for the info, I guess your right that pure dps classes would do more dps than me. So should I get rid of bladed armor and/or 2h specialization for black ice?


Also, @maydie funny story regarding your quote above:
So I'm having a busy week this week and was only able to do 25nax last friday. I go in a pug thats a geared group that only has thaddius, spider, and plague left, along with sapp and kel. Everything goes great, but we wipe twice on kel because we have 3 ranged dps and about 12 melee and we didn't have enough aoe healz. I was around 4th or 5th on the dps charts for the whole raid.... but the leader says that he needs to boot 5 melee so more ranged can come in. He boots me and two of my guildies(a fury warrior and another dK) who were also near the top of the meters..... he based who he was kicking out of the raid solely on the dps meters from the first two attempts of phase 1 of kel'thuzad.........

Which as anyone who has raided naxx, clearly understands that that is probably one of the worst parts of naxx to rate dps off of. It ends up the the people he invited after kicking five of use were his guildies, and two of them were melee dps.....

Do you play on Dark Iron? someone was complaining about this exact situation in trade the other night...

So I'm left wondering if you play on the same server or if there are just that many idiots in the world.

[WorldTree]

As well you should be. If someone playing a pure dps class knows what they're doing, i'd wager they could out dps you with less equivalent gear, as it should be. Just because DKs and Boomkins and fury Warriors have been out dpsing everyone for all this time, doesn't mean that's how it should be, hence blizz fixed it. Are you guys having problems with DPS somewhere? I seriously doubt with around 4k on boss fights that you'd be getting subbed out, so I don't really see the problem here.

this is dumb.

It's ok for "pure" class to out perform "hybrids". (Blizzard's figure was saying around 5%? )

But on where a DK does 4k and pure does 5k? (the OP said 500-1k, i'll take the extreme case of 1k here)

That's 20%. (and 25% from dk's PoV)

If you don't see a problem with 20% difference with equal gear. (assuming equal skill?) I have no words for you.
And obviously blizzard disagree with you on the boomkin part.

ON front page:

We think Balance dps is a little low on live, but changing Improved Moonkin Form to 30% Spirit to Spellpower in 3.1.2 should be something like a 5% spellpower boost to raid-buffed druids, which should be around a 5% dps increase. YMMV.

Not sure what kind of raid you go into with your alt DK and crapistic DPS that boomkin is top dps. Clearly Blizzard's data supports another thesis.

[mäydie]

this is dumb.

It's ok for "pure" class to out perform "hybrids". (Blizzard's figure was saying around 5%? )

But on where a DK does 4k and pure does 5k? (the OP said 500-1k, i'll take the extreme case of 1k here)

That's 20%. (and 25% from dk's PoV)

If you don't see a problem with 20% difference with equal gear. (assuming equal skill?) I have no words for you.
And obviously blizzard disagree with you on the boomkin part.

ON front page:
Not sure what kind of raid you go into with your alt DK and crapistic DPS that boomkin is top dps. Clearly Blizzard's data supports another thesis.

Congrats. You've done a great job of completely misconstruing what I said, and making yourself sound like an ass. Reread what I said. I said that boomkins/fury warriors/etc. were doing great dps. Obviously I know they were nerfed, but apparently your elitist attitude doesn't allow you any room for other peoples thoughts. I also said that in the case of equal geared hybrid vs. pure, pure is most likely going to win out, especially if they know what they're doing. I also love your idea of how a DK is automatically an "alt". Go away troll.

[Frazolli]

Dude, Our main DK unholy DPS is doing very well in every single Ulduar encounter. Top 5 consistently, and even topping meters in some of them. So, There's a potential.. You just have to reach it.

[WorldTree]

Congrats. You've done a great job of completely misconstruing what I said, and making yourself sound like an ass. Reread what I said. I said that boomkins/fury warriors/etc. were doing great dps. Obviously I know they were nerfed, but apparently your elitist attitude doesn't allow you any room for other peoples thoughts. I also said that in the case of equal geared hybrid vs. pure, pure is most likely going to win out, especially if they know what they're doing. I also love your idea of how a DK is automatically an "alt". Go away troll.

hrm no.

Just because DKs and Boomkins and fury Warriors have been out dpsing everyone for all this time,

Do you even understand what you've written?
The above quote is saying that boomkin, furies and DKs are doing more DPS than "everyone else". (meaning they are at top3 from previous period until now)

And Obviously Blizzard wants to buff boomkin now (as in my quote of my previous post), so, your assessment of boomkin "been doing" better than everyone else (save DK and war) is obviously flawed.

Stop keep digging your hole, you are inversely relating your intelligent to your post count.

Then you are trying to cover up saying they were nerfed. (when was boomkin nerfed again? note, my disagreement is with the moonkin part)
My attitude? Dude, you think a mage(or any pure) out dps a DK(or war..whatnot) with equal gear by 20% is fine. When you spilling such ... opinion, how do you want people to react? pat your back and say, "good work, Jimmy"?

In case you didn't actually read what OP has written, he specifically said 500-1000 DPS difference.

in nax that's like (assuming 5k dps) is a 10-20% difference. While they(pure) should outdps hybrids, but with 20% margin? I think not. That's the center of my disagreement with you. (along the boomkin comment)

You are dimmed an alt because you obviously think pure should outdps "hybrid" by 20% and think it's fine. It's either you are *that* oblivious, or your main is a pure dps.

Take your pick.
Stop trying to change your argument. And stop making phony claims.

[Horn]

[color=navy]WorldTree/Maydie stop bitching.

Okay, obvious problems are not the cause of your issues.

Lets see that profile... well, Black Ice is way better than Bladed Armor AND 2h Specialisation as Unholy. Speccing for that will increase your DPS for sure.

Probably right, try Black Ice over Bladed Armor. Btw, are you using http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45805 ?(my armory shows no glyphs)

[Drake]

I couldn't tell from your armory regarding your gears since you have tanking gears on. But Black Ice only outperform Bladed armor at higher level gears. Consider you stated that yur gears level are around the 213ilevel i doubt respecing into Black Ice will help.
Did you have 4set t7 bonus ??
Need a bit more info so we can help ya out.

[Fano7]

Lets see that profile... well, Black Ice is way better than Bladed Armor AND 2h Specialisation as Unholy. Speccing for that will increase your DPS for sure.

Well Black Ice (0/10/61) does not become better then Bladed Armor + 2h Specialization (12/0/59) until you are in Ulduar gear ... or so I've read in multiple threads.

[JGWentworth]

Well Black Ice (0/10/61) does not become better then Bladed Armor + 2h Specialization (12/0/59) until you are in Ulduar gear ... or so I've read in multiple threads.

I switched from 12/0/59 to 0/10/61 when I was in mostly Nax 25 gear and saw about a 500-1k dps jump depending on what fight I was in.

[Bullshifter]

I'm in mostly Naxx 25 gear (still have the dang titansteel helm, and never got Betrayer), and made the switch to 0/10/61. My dps is roughly the same as what it was with the 12/0/59 build, a little higher for some fights, a little lower for others. Pretty sure this gear level is enough to not pay a price for switching to Black Ice, but not good enough to see a lot of benefit either. I'm pretty sure it'll take "some" Ulduar gear at least, to see some actual measurable difference (with Black Ice ultimately being better in the end due to scaling).

[Aragaarn]

Oh sorry for the tank gear, not on a computer with wow at the moment, so I'll have to fix it in a little bit. For t7, I have t8 gloves, t7.5 shoulders, and t7 chest, so i do have the t7 chest piece bonus.

Also, I am not on dark iron, im on Twisting Nether US