This is when you know there is a problem with arena.

[Xcreed]

First level of fail: A sampling of 4 =//= a sampling of 50. You have the incremental increase of probability going against your case.

Second level of fail: Your argument implies that these numbers will change in higher brackets. That they could somehow be dominated by hunters, mages and warlocks. If this ISN'T the case, then his reasoning was correct. (Keep in mind I'm not implying that they stay 100% correct, as his results represent a curve, and curves are predictable in what directions they end up heading down the road.)

Third level of fail: His point was that of all the permutations of classes and specs, it seemed there was severe over-representation of specific ones. While this isn't new to arena, it does imply that they are wholly dominated by melee dps with priest healers. You seem to think this isn't the case somehow, so the burden of proof is on you.

So, in the future, base your argument on facts, instead of trying to disprove probability itself. Might work out better for you.

Dont be such an amy whinehouse, the op may have got some points hidden somewhere, but he if he wanted to make a point he should have worked it out better, thats why Bujaberry wanted to pwn him with words in the first place

[Mysmere]

Lol

Lol

[dahighpriest]

Today I played 50 matches of arena in the 1500 or so ratings. We fought:

25 Priests
15 Druids
15 Death Knights
15 Warriors
15 Rogues
....
3 Shamans
1 Hunter
1 Mage
1 Warlock
...
0 Spriests, Boomkins, Protection warriors or paladins, frost or blood dks, enhancement shamans, etc.
...

there are 10 classes in World of Warcraft with 30 different specs not including hybrids. Yet we have to play the same 5-6 specs over and over and over. This is not enjoyable. If Blizzard doesn't do something to address the fact that half of the classes are not viable and melee completely dominating, Arena will die out.

Sorry, but your math is wrong. 91<100. 50 matches, in 2's. Unless you went up against a single person 18 times. Or any other combination of single people, for that matter.

Although, I do agree. Some representation is higher than others, and needs to change. But, welcome to Arena, it's been like that forever.

[Unequaledus]

This is also modified by the amount of players playing the class. At 1500 it's a melting pool of everything.

[K4ge]

one spec per class is enough.
Why?
I'll tell you why: because I'd rather have 10 balanced specs and 20 horribly UP specs than season 5. 10 specs are easier to balance, deal with it.

[rarwzs]

omgomg, i flipped a coin 4 times and it was head EVERY TIME, this coin must be broken!

idd

[baele]

I meant 0 prot paladins, there were 7-8 ret and holy paladins. I didn't include paladins in the list because they were between the low and high figures. It should have been obvious that these numbers are not exact but rough estimates. I could have gone through and counted each class but I'm not that anal. I do remember exactly only fighting one mage, one hunter and one warlock. The rest was priests, druids, dks, rogues etc.

The point of the of the post is that arena is boring playing the same few specs over and over. While my post is just a very small sample size, I'm sure the many other people have been experiencing much the same. And since these are the most dominating classes, I doubt I'll start seeing a bunch of Spriests and Hunters when I get higher. I don't expect to see 30 different specs, but I do expect to see 10 different classes, instead of just 6, and maybe a few other viable specs in addition to that. Paladin at the moment is the only class that has several viable specs, you can even go prot or hybrid. If Blizzard could make other classes as balanced as Paladins Wow would be much funner.

Also I was not complaining that melee is unbalanced against healers, it is unbalanced against ranged dps. Most of the classes that have no representation are ranged dps. If ranged dps was balanced with melee dps, we'd see a lot more variety in arena, i.e., healer/ranged dps teams, dual dps teams, etc. One of the reason dual dps teams are not very strong right now is that ranged dps is too weak.

[woeye]

Blizzard balances classes, not specs. They have already said that melees are too good in 2s. They have also said that do indeed need help. Now the problem is getting them to do something about it...

GC is like a good politican: talks a lot about what could be done. But when it comes to the doing ... well I bet in the end Blizz will tweak a bit here and there without really changing anything. Very much like we had seen in S3 and S4. In the end GC will tell us that they want to address core issues in the next xpac.
Problem is, Blizzard lacks the devotion to really change things. They're ok with the current state as it is. It might not be perfect. But it's okay. No game is perfect, so why bother. And those, who really want to compete, they will reroll anyway.

[stalix]

Today I played 50 matches of arena in the 1500 or so ratings. We fought:

25 Priests
15 Druids
15 Death Knights
15 Warriors
15 Rogues
....
3 Shamans
1 Hunter
1 Mage
1 Warlock
...
0 Spriests, Boomkins, Protection warriors or paladins, frost or blood dks, enhancement shamans, etc.
...

there are 10 classes in World of Warcraft with 30 different specs not including hybrids. Yet we have to play the same 5-6 specs over and over and over. This is not enjoyable. If Blizzard doesn't do something to address the fact that half of the classes are not viable and melee completely dominating, Arena will die out.

Lots of stuff wrong with this including the big fact of him being surprised to not have met any enhancement shamans... also if u are QQ'ing about the 1500s ... there is seriously something wrong with u anyhow

[Gzilia]

Because there is no such thing as a 1500 rated pally, they either just started or have facerolled to 2k+ by now.

[Deleted]

1st of : all we can see clearly that arena won t die.Is dead. And ... ok ...2v2 lets say many ppl compete .. 3v3 ..5v5...? We supposed to play that brackets too,am i wrong?

You said about melee dominating.Ok they are. But if u play as caster then u have seen that caster needs range/kite or something.How can i kite in a box? How can i pull the melee off range of the healer?I won't talk for bugged arenas like dalaran.Or melee based like Ogrimar.For anyone who will say l2pillar ... if u knew how many times i pilar the damned warrior then he fatality to me with bladestorm from the other side of the pilar.I m caster but channeling from pilar is a cheat.

If u want to call arena true PvP needs fix bugs.Needs bigger and not pillars. It seems in arena we must put skills on ... not l2pilar.L2 pilar is not pvp...

Specs.Priest must be Ds,rogue muti,pala...hmm...pala whatever...he is pala.warrior ARMS. etc.
Are u serious?Is that pvp?
Pvp is all about the skills.All specs must be equal.

Also ppl seems to like the easy way.Their happy when they pala spams 1 heal to win.They re happy when charge-bladestorm.Generally the 1 key button to pwn 'em all strategy makes someone happy.Not much sweat,win,say "me pwoons" to they re friends.Hahahha.

And ok...now start telling bad things to me that i'm noob etc. but ... thats the truth.And i've already got over it.
U can try it to get over it too.Works

[Serai]

a melee killing a shaman one on one?, not every melee has wounding poison you know

as a feral druid in pvp gear, if i go up against any healer in pvp gear i have to be excessively lucky with my crits to get him down, and even then its most likely because he was slow on his instant heal

everyone is talking about melee being imba in arenas, but that doesnt include enhance shamans, feral druids, blood dks, prot warr/pala

[deemor]

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l2math

sry for ot but saying "l2math" and beeing wrong also, needs a comment.
91 different players in 100 matches could be 5 matches with only 1 player (90/2 = 45 matches with 2 players, 5 matches left) or he faced the same combo more than 1 time