Holy Paladin Mana Regen

[Kadas]

I checked my regen stats in last nights 25 man:
~40% was from illumination
~25% was from replenishment
~ 5% was from mp5

So the patch will reduce the effectiveness of illumination by half, replenishment by 20%, but increase mp5 by 25%. That means:

20% loss from illumination
5% loss from replenishment
1% gain from mp5
net loss: 24%

We also lost 5% intellect from Divine Intellect.
In exchange, Beacon now counts overhealing. I don't want to downplay how massive a change that is, but i hope everyone understands that without the ability to spam Holy Light, the beacon change will be only situationally relevant. (ie situations where you have mana to burn)

Conclusions:
1. if you don't think this was a nerf, please re-examine the numbers - it was.
2. If you're planning on stacking mp5 to make up for lost regen, it won't.
3. If you're thinking that 51/20/0 is now somehow more viable because our regen is lower, I guess I'd just like someone to explain that to me. If regen is now an issue, how would a less mana-efficient spec now be more viable?

edit: L2type nub

[iktankniet]

conclusion:
- they want you, aka holy paladins to change priority on stats.

some math wizard should calculate how much mp/5 is needed to overcome the illumination nerf.

[Kadas]

I would be interested in knowing that number as well. Pretty sure it would be over a thousand mp5 though just eyeballing it, so i doubt it's feasible to use mp5 to close the gap.

[iktankniet]

well, they said that mana regen of paladins was too good, so they nerfed it. i dont think paladins should be able to overcome the nerf with mp/5. but its to compensate a bit and point them into another direction instead of stacking int/crit

[Cheezee]

3. If you're thinking that 61/20/0 is now somehow more viable because our regen is lower, I guess I'd just like someone to explain that to me. If regen is now an issue, how would a less mana-efficient spec now be more viable?

OP Paladins with their 81 talent points. :P

[Astray]

Of course its a nerf. Do you really think they would continue to allow HL spamming when Bacon works with overheal? xD

[Kadas]

OP Paladins with their 81 talent points.

hehe - fixed (thanks). I totally wouldn't mind another 10 talents at this point though...

Of course its a nerf. Do you really think they would continue to allow HL spamming when Bacon works with overheal?

Nope - I just think that people are looking at the beacon change in relation to their current 80ish% overhealing and thinking that it will be absolutely amazing - not realizing that all their FoL overheals after the expansion are not going to be quite as impressive.

[Ghostius]

3. If you're thinking that 51/20/0 is now somehow more viable because our regen is lower, I guess I'd just like someone to explain that to me. If regen is now an issue, how would a less mana-efficient spec now be more viable?

1. U wont be spamming HL indefenetly
2. U will prevent damage, not heal it
3. U will find out that pally got more spells than HL
4. U will use healer rotations (one heal mt, other rests etc..)
5. In the end, Ilumination will not be nerfed so much when goes on live servers

[Jathro]

You should reach for the "Y" and "O" keys more often.

The changes contradict themselves:
- They don't want us to overheal, but then encourage it with changes to Beacon.
- They don't want us to be able to spam HL all day, but spamming FoL all day is ok?
- They don't want us to stack pure Int, but why shouldn't we if they're going to reduce the amount we get through talents?

[Kondara]

Maybe I missed something but wasn't replenishment buffed, not nerfed?

Replenishment: This buff now grants 1% of the target's maximum mana over 5 seconds instead of 0.25% per second.

Don't see the uptime on this changing much in raids.

[Quelana]

Maybe I missed something but wasn't replenishment buffed, not nerfed?

Replenishment: This buff now grants 1% of the target's maximum mana over 5 seconds instead of 0.25% per second.

Don't see the uptime on this changing much in raids.

1% over 5 seconds vs .25% every second. 5 seconds = 1% in 3.2, 5 seconds = 1.25% currently

[Kondara]

1% over 5 seconds vs .25% every second. 5 seconds = 1% in 3.2, 5 seconds = 1.25% currently

Haha thanks, I had misread it as 1% per second. I'm probably still disillusioned by the Illumination changes. Now its even worse after having misread that as a buff. ; ;

[Crush84]

Glyph of Seal of Command: Redesigned to cause the Paladin to gain 8% of base mana each time the paladin judges Command.

so that would be:

judge every 8 seconds (skilled) 8% base mana, a lvl 80 paladin has around 5500 base mana? that would make 440 mana, but judge costs 5% base mana, which is around 275 mana.

so you get 440-275=165 mana every 8 seconds or 20,625 mana per second or 103,125 mana every 5 seconds

does it make sense for a holy paladin to take it over glyphe of seal of wisdom/light?

to judge every 8 seconds would even mean lesser heal cause of the global cooldown or am I wrong?

[shockpally]

Glyph of Seal of Command: Redesigned to cause the Paladin to gain 8% of base mana each time the paladin judges Command.

so that would be:

judge every 8 seconds (skilled) 8% base mana, a lvl 80 paladin has around 5500 base mana? that would make 440 mana, but judge costs 5% base mana, which is around 275 mana.

so you get 440-275=165 mana every 8 seconds or 20,625 mana per second or 103,125 mana every 5 seconds

does it make sense for a holy paladin to take it over glyphe of seal of wisdom/light?

to judge every 8 seconds would even mean lesser heal cause of the global cooldown or am I wrong?

NO it dosnt make sense for any holy paladin to take it.

And here is why. Glyph of SoW saves 5% of the mana cost of every healing spell. A holy paladin only has to judge every 60 sec to keep their haste buff up. They also have to spec into Imp Judgements and Seal of Command (currently) Those are 3 wasted talent points.

[Maereax]

Don't forget, Less int from divine intellect = smaller mana pool = less mana from divine plea

[lawladino]

We still have Divine Plea... and yes our mana regen was too good, DP on some fights isnt even needed.

[Svenskpally]

They want holypaladins to stop spam HL and soccet for Int and they want us to pick up all the mp5 gear in ulduar. I would not call it a nerf to holypalains in general, more like a tweak to make us use all our spell and not HL spam and still got fullmanapool at the end of fight.

[Mutin]

They want holypaladins to stop spam HL and soccet for Int and they want us to pick up all the mp5 gear in ulduar. I would not call it a nerf to holypalains in general, more like a tweak to make us use all our spell and not HL spam and still got fullmanapool at the end of fight.

lol, is that not a nerf?
What ur saying is, that it's not a nerf we have to use the shittiest healing spell in the game, and being at 0% mana at the end of the fight.

[ilialilov]

I don't really see the problem in this all. I don't have a holy palla myself but once i logged in with my friends account and went uldu 10. I asked him how to heal with his paladin and he said. "Press 2 when the fight starts, and then 3". And i was like "0.o and..... ". But that is all ... the faster i pressed 3 the better i was ... mana never runed out (3 was some kind of macro, 2 was beacon of light). Now is that really the gameplay you guys want? Paladin ignorant player can press 2 buttons and do 80% of the job of an experienced holy paladin. Really now they put a little bit of skill on your class and you QQ like hell... whats wrong with you ...

[Pieterman]

/violin, now u have to pay attention to what ur doing again..
first time ever i went on a pala was on friends pala @ naxx10, i did not get under 90% mana
GOGO autoattack+seal of wisdom