Tier 9 Prices, ArgentHorde Leather, Raid Extension

[gortz]

Rogue set looks beyond terrible. Why is it being modelled on an orc and not human or undead? Rogue sets look absolutely terrible on orc males and its usually modelled on a human.

[Excerion]

Y'all are a bunch of self-important assholes, aren't you?

Tell me again how the PvE gear someone else has affects you, now that this gear isn't the best PvP gear like it was in pre-BC WoW?

Because you get gear you don't deserve because you didn't have the skill to down nerfed to hell bosses. And when you get said gear you will LFG latest instance and will only be considered for an invite because of said gear that took no effort to receive and then you'll stand in fire like an idiot and waste 24 other people's time.

[Nathanyel]

wewt for previews on a non-human!

[Mandible]

If there is only one item needed to get tier pieces, why the different badge price?

[Tommaso]

Y'all are a bunch of self-important assholes, aren't you?

Tell me again how the PvE gear someone else has affects you, now that this gear isn't the best PvP gear like it was in pre-BC WoW?

Well the gear should be reward for doing sth, for killing bosses, for mastering your own class and games mechanics. Now it will reward nolife farmers and kids without brain and parents who let them play 15 hours a day just because they want to have time for themself.

It's like with everything in life. You work, you are good at it, get promoted, buy fancy car, bigger house etc. Lets say now every begger, who haven't learned for the whole life, haven't work can get car like yours for free. I know it is just a game, but still imo it should reward ppl who are good at it, not any rtard that pays month fee. We are going to be f.... lemmings, all with the same gear, the same spec ( yeah cause they f... this up as well - now warlock that wants to be top dps i.e. wants to raid and has good gear has to be 0/13/58 or 58/0/13, all other builds are not viable) the same gems. The only thing now that is going to be different are mounts ( Yuppi... look I have different mount than you, yeah isn't it awesome). I thought that in MMORPG's the game allows ppl to be different, to customize. Maybe in patch 3.3 they will make one tier model for each class and in 3.4 or 4.0 they will make only one, hybrid class without trees, all new players will start @lvl 80 with epic mounts and tier set in their mailbox. Lets go further, make one HORDALLIANCE fraction!

About achievements - you can die in first 5 sec, lay down the whole fight doing nothing and you still gonna get it, now you would be kicked asap with no rolling possibility, in 3.2 you won't give a damn, you will get achievement and buy loot for emblems.

[Ramis]

I love the change that you can buy 2 Sets with Emblem of Triumph. Its somehow like AQ 40 again where you had a 100% Token dropchance for every class...allthought it was linked with rep grind ;D

This way i wont kill my keyboard when Yoggi again only drops Rogue,Mage,DK,Druid...every damn week !

This way everyone can get their set together equally fast...and thats good for raids...isnt it.

And the extended raid lockout is just pure sex...i hope someday we can do the opposite..aka reduce the lockout by 50% to farm old instances.

[Prinsesa]

A total casual who never runs the Argent Coliseum would rack up 3 Emblems of Triumph per day, 2 from the daily heroic and 1 from the daily dungeon.

To get a complete ilevel 245 set at this rate would take 105 days.
To get a complete ilevel 232 set at this rate would take 70 days.
To get the fastest possible 4-set bonus (using ilevel 232 pieces) would take 54 days.

[det]

Because you get gear you don't deserve because you didn't have the skill to down nerfed to hell bosses. And when you get said gear you will LFG latest instance and will only be considered for an invite because of said gear that took no effort to receive and then you'll stand in fire like an idiot and waste 24 other people's time.

Just because....

First of all: Explain "deserve" in a mmo that I pay for.

Second of all: This system is a great way to gear up NEW raiders or raiders that had to take a BREAK. Finally players can catch up BY THEMSELVES and a raidguild does not have to take them by the hand and gear them in countless Naxx runs. Also you can BUY gear that for dkp, attendance or bad luck reasons eluded you.

I just hate it how some guys here never THINK, but just assume "Oi dere is some n00b who whant to 'ave ME epiXX"

What happened to the good old rule "Shut up when you have nothing constructive to say"? Wait..it is the internet, everything we say is important.

[aggression]

Ok, so now it takes 70 heroics and 70 normal dungeon dailys to get full t9? :S Let me guess, next time they even get BoE? T9.5 will take 105 days of both daily dungeons to get a full set.

And the new feature to extend the raid lockout...hmm.

[Samin]

If there is only one item needed to get tier pieces, why the different badge price?

Because chest has more stats than e.g. bracers? I think I don't get the question.

[det]

Well the gear should be reward for doing sth, for killing bosses, for mastering your own class and games mechanics. Now it will reward nolife farmers and kids without brain and parents who let them play 15 hours a day just because they want to have time for themself.

NO NO NO and NOOO! Read what I wrote. Think! There might..just MIGHT be other reasons why the system is implemented. By your reasoning, you do NOT deserve the greens at lv 73 that are BETTER than my SWP epics, because you didn't work for it but rather Blizzard decided to reset al ilv and you get better gear than me just for BUYING the expansion.

Seriously..try to see different aspects, not just the "N00bs get undeserved epixx"

[Nigel Tufnel]

Y'all are a bunch of self-important assholes, aren't you?

Tell me again how the PvE gear someone else has affects you, now that this gear isn't the best PvP gear like it was in pre-BC WoW?

Because yet again Blizzard is removing *incentive* from the game. Resulting in:

- More bads who can't pve.
- Under-tuned, over-nerfed instances.
- Screwing with the progression of decent casual raiding guilds.

Are you seriously saying it's acceptable to farm ilevel 245 gear, albeit slowly, from heroics that can be tanked by a hunter's pet?

Blizzard's definition of 'epic' is about as epic as a potato.

[det]

..and you registered just to post this without reading what others have to say about the other side of the coin, right?

[Rafy]

is it just me or all the T9 pieces look like crap ?

[MrSimtang]

I really don't see a problem here.

You can get full T9/T9.5 in a couple of weeks/month, it will take you months and months to farm the equivalent badges for it just doing the daily heroics.

Personally, the easy way is to do the raid, the hard way would be do farm the heroics day in, day out. That's the way I see it anyway.


And honestly, who cares if people are walking around in T9 gear? I sure as hell don't. It doesn't detract from my experience of the game, and it won't detract from yours. Tier 7/7.5 being purchasable from vendors through heroism/valorous badges no one complains about. Every raid in WotLK is brain dead easy too (ignoring the hard modes), so don't even bother trying to argue that point.

This change will help people who get stuck in a rut of not being in a hardcore raiding guild and can't advance their gear.

It's like in Vanilla, guilds only wanted geared people, and the only way to get geared was to be in guilds that raided. It was a loophole for people who didn't have the gear. It wasn't their fault because they're 'bad'.

[Nigel Tufnel]

..and you registered just to post this without reading what others have to say about the other side of the coin, right?

Nope, I've read this thread, and many others like it, the whole way through. I've just reached my tolerance threshold, and arguments about the pros and cons of resetting gear are missing the point.

I've been playing wow since 2005 (maybe 2 nights a week) as a casual raider. I'm no-way near able to commit the time to joining a 'hard-core' guild, too much going on in rl. Fair play to the people who want to do that, I'd never criticise them for doing so. Equally, raiding is only one part of WoW and if people don't want to raid, that's their choice.

However, a large part of the game is pve and I am sick to the back teeth of wasting my time (be it in heroics, raids, whatever) with people who cannot play. By removing the incentive to join raiding guilds, Blizzard is further undermining the player base able to do so. Seriously, tell me how this change will benefit a casual raiding guild who want to improve their performance and increase their rosta?

[dddmaster]

gah the rogue helm looks like a recolored lvl 40 PLATE helm -.- the shoulders look like lvl 60 epic shoulders with lights on them ( WTF?) apart from that it looks semi ok'ish

[Tommaso]

NO NO NO and NOOO! Read what I wrote. Think! There might..just MIGHT be other reasons why the system is implemented. By your reasoning, you do NOT deserve the greens at lv 73 that are BETTER than my SWP epics, because you didn't work for it but rather Blizzard decided to reset al ilv and you get better gear than me just for BUYING the expansion.

They forcing everyone to look the same - there are 3-4 non tier items that can equal tier items but still, you need 4pc bonus. The sets will look the same no matter what lvl they are so everyone on the server literally everyone in each class will look the same (but for feral druids and pvp players) or 90% alike. Will blizzard invite more ppl to buy WoW with this changes? I would rather say that they will make more ppl leave cause it will be no fun at all.

I have a theory. They are making this changes to actually make WoW less enjoyable and by that prepare all of us for the new MMORPG by Blizzard which will have all our suggestions implemented from the very beggining making it the best game in history, so that they will break new record of the number of accounts.

[Prinsesa]

Ok, so now it takes 70 heroics and 70 normal dungeon dailys to get full t9? :S Let me guess, next time they even get BoE? T9.5 will take 105 days of both daily dungeons to get a full set.

And the new feature to extend the raid lockout...hmm.

First of all, 105 days is a LONG TIME. 3 months is practically an entire PvP season.

There's still an incentive for people to actually run the raid instances themselves, since it drastically reduces the time to assemble all those Emblems and rewards you with drops for slots that the Emblems cannot provide for, most importantly your weapons.

[Herecius]

Nope, I've read this thread, and many others like it, the whole way through. I've just reached my tolerance threshold, and arguments about the pros and cons of resetting gear are missing the point.

I've been playing wow since 2005 (maybe 2 nights a week) as a casual raider. I'm no-way near able to commit the time to joining a 'hard-core' guild, too much going on in rl. Fair play to the people who want to do that, I'd never criticise them for doing so. Equally, raiding is only one part of WoW and if people don't want to raid, that's their choice.

However, a large part of the game is pve and I am sick to the back teeth of wasting my time (be it in heroics, raids, whatever) with people who cannot play. By removing the incentive to join raiding guilds, Blizzard is further undermining the player base able to do so. Seriously, tell me how this change will benefit a casual raiding guild who want to improve their performance and increase their rosta?

Well, a guild, even a casual raiding one, that takes itself with any sort of honesty, should really vet its players. If they're doing badly, then the guild needs to tell them to shape up, and help them learn how to play their classes properly. If a player cannot do that, then they should be removed from the guild. It's as simple as that.

There will ALWAYS be bad players. Making the tier gear available in this way will neither increase nor decrease the number of bad players. It's pretty easy to spot one, too, what with the terribad enchants (or no enchants at all), terrible gear choices and gemming, pitiful dps/tps/heals... bad players will always be there. Avoid them.