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    How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Just curious

    As Shadow Priest doing a raid, do you do good DPS compare to a Mage or Warlock or Hunter, or any class?
    If you put your mind into it.

    Can you be a very good DPS? Or avarage good.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Taryon
    Just curious

    As Shadow Priest doing a raid, do you do good DPS compare to a Mage or Warlock or Hunter, or any class?
    If you put your mind into it.

    Can you be a very good DPS? Or avarage good.

    again asking same question?

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    You probably won't be able to outdps any of the above. (Single target) Mind Sear is amazing for some fights though.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    The shadow priests in my raid are very good.

    However, if you took a mage/hunter/warlock with perfect gear & skill vs. a Spriest with perfect gear & skill, the mage/hunter/warlock would be marginally better. Of course, this scenario is fictitious and not practical. As such, a skilled Spriest will always be competitive as of now.

    As a side note, I have heard that Spriests will have some scaling issues as gear levels rise, so that marginal gap may grow if w/e is causing this isn't fixed. If there is even a problem at all.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Yes, shadow priest is awesome for raids, and do amazing dps on a lot of encounters. We're super strong in hard-modes due to our almost godlike ability to stay alive (shields and VE is underrated in general).

    As Ulduar offers many multi-target fights with a lot of movement, we'll often be among the top dps classes, and sometimes even in the top (Mimiron comes to mind.)

    Here is a example from Hodir 10man, the colours denote the different classes.


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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the r

    Well, i have no luck what so ever to keep up with some lock's and mages at my own gear-lvl. :-\
    Overall im at 221 gearlvl on average.
    And i fall behind a lot...
    During some encounters tho, i am ahead of them.. (Hodir, mimiron and iron council)


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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    sooo :P
    at our raids i keep a dps position always between 1st and 5th....
    it's not easy to outdps mages/locks but imo hunters are :P i am always above hunters at our dps meter :P maybe our hunters suck though xD
    our current best dps is an affly lock...2 mages me and 1 rogue are the first 5.... places in that 5 people may vary....
    though in fights as hodir mirmion and council i am above at other fights i am below the other 4 people :P
    so Spriests can really be good dps's
    though blizzard has a small confusion at what we are made for.... are we support classes? then give us back the mana from VT....are we hardcore dmg classes? then give us some more dps

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    You will prolly always do less than a similarly geared/skilled player who knows his/her rotations and gears correctly solely because of the class (mage and mages are pures), on some gimmick fights, like vexaz etc we do well because of haste, otherwise without gimmicks on single target fights we fall behind.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoulis
    sooo :P
    at our raids i keep a dps position always between 1st and 5th....
    it's not easy to outdps mages/locks but imo hunters are :P i am always above hunters at our dps meter :P maybe our hunters suck though xD
    our current best dps is an affly lock...2 mages me and 1 rogue are the first 5.... places in that 5 people may vary....
    though in fights as hodir mirmion and council i am above at other fights i am below the other 4 people :P
    so Spriests can really be good dps's
    though blizzard has a small confusion at what we are made for.... are we support classes? then give us back the mana from VT....are we hardcore dmg classes? then give us some more dps

    Cheers
    Zoulis
    Mostly on except for certain things.

    VT + MB gives replenishment (they wanted to unite the mana regen ability of the Shadow Priest across all classes, regardless of skill) Back in BC the best spriests who did enough dps provided almost infinite mana for their parties, but now now matter how good you are, as long as you Mind Blast with VT up every 15 you'll keep an identical Replenish up. Secondly, I think the better way to make up this utility is to rebuff VE to 25%, or 15% at least, it'll scale better end game, but may be overpowered. Thirdly, we do need to do more dps XD

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezoia
    Yes, shadow priest is awesome for raids, and do amazing dps on a lot of encounters. We're super strong in hard-modes due to our almost godlike ability to stay alive (shields and VE is underrated in general).

    As Ulduar offers many multi-target fights with a lot of movement, we'll often be among the top dps classes, and sometimes even in the top (Mimiron comes to mind.)

    Here is a example from Hodir 10man, the colours denote the different classes.

    Not to take anything away from you as you're obviously a decent shadowpriest, but your mage was probably unlucky or just not as skilled as you. That fight is very much a mage fight.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    This is probably at lower gear levels, since I see 12k more typically in this fight

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    It's okay. Able to top meters, usually somewhere in top 5, though nothing spectacular.
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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    When we first entered ulduar I found myself topping the meters on most fights.
    As it is now; everyone is in full t8, I see pure dps-classes(and dks) out-dps me.
    Death Knights usually tops our meters, followed by pure dps classes now.

    I think we scaled good from 3.1>3.2, but if that scaling continues we might need some fixes.

    Seeing i also bring VE i consider my damage fine, i do competitive damage while bringing more than just damage.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pasture
    Not to take anything away from you as you're obviously a decent shadowpriest, but your mage was probably unlucky or just not as skilled as you. That fight is very much a mage fight.
    Yes, Hodir is very RNG, and it depends a lot on the luck with getting the Storm Power buff.

    But I was mainly doing a general comparison to display we're not 2000 dps under everybody else.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Lol @ Using hodir as an example for DPS.

    Shadowpriest is Terrible for single target damage, only reason we are taken to raids is for our utility and AoE, if anyone genuinely thinks Spriests are a good all round choice for DPS, you should just stop playing.

    Being able to pad damage with dots ie Yogg tenticles (the crappy ones you never actually kill).
    And use Mind Sear at every available chance does not make Spriest good dps.

    Other than our Utility and AoE, we have alot of survivability, Dispersion, PWS and VE/DP to a lesser extent.
    For lots of little damage, Hodir, Thorim, Mimiron + more, this makes them a joke, along with 15% reduced damage from shadowform.

    As good as all that sounds, its pretty mediocre from a elitist PoV, if you are taking enough damage to die if u weren't a shadow priest, you are bad and shouldn't be doing HM's, ofcourse all the little damage is okay and thus self healing is very effective, but every class has its cooldowns for that sort of thing.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strykzor
    Lol @ Using hodir as an example for DPS.

    Shadowpriest is Terrible for single target damage, only reason we are taken to raids is for our utility and AoE, if anyone genuinely thinks Spriests are a good all round choice for DPS, you should just stop playing.

    Being able to pad damage with dots ie Yogg tenticles (the crappy ones you never actually kill).
    And use Mind Sear at every available chance does not make Spriest good dps.

    Other than our Utility and AoE, we have alot of survivability, Dispersion, PWS and VE/DP to a lesser extent.
    For lots of little damage, Hodir, Thorim, Mimiron + more, this makes them a joke, along with 15% reduced damage from shadowform.

    As good as all that sounds, its pretty mediocre from a elitist PoV, if you are taking enough damage to die if u weren't a shadow priest, you are bad and shouldn't be doing HM's, ofcourse all the little damage is okay and thus self healing is very effective, but every class has its cooldowns for that sort of thing.
    Hmm. There have been several reputable posters give very constructive and balanced posts on this subject.

    ...and then there's you.

    /golfclap for using negative language and insult to make something sound worse than it is. Go back to rhetoric school and learn a new trick.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Don't mind Strykzor, he's just a troll. He's a so terrible player he have to describe all other shadowpriests in the world as bad as himself, to make up for it.

    Both Method and Ensidia have much joy of their shadowpriests. It's among others, the ultimative class for Mimiron Hardmode (Firefighter), and often rank in the top #5 on Firefighter.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nezoia
    Yes, shadow priest is awesome for raids, and do amazing dps on a lot of encounters. We're super strong in hard-modes due to our almost godlike ability to stay alive (shields and VE is underrated in general).

    As Ulduar offers many multi-target fights with a lot of movement, we'll often be among the top dps classes, and sometimes even in the top (Mimiron comes to mind.)

    Here is a example from Hodir 10man, the colours denote the different classes.

    Great performance. Depending on how well I can keep the cloud buff on my I've seen dps spike to over 10k (thats all in how lucky you are with the buff however). However, I pull about the same on hodir hard and get completely dusted by locks and our really competent boomkin. Our mage is baddie though and is never where he should be.

    The only time I outdps classes that I shouldn't (mages/boomkins/locks/hunters) is if they aren't playing their class to perfection. I wouldn't call SPriest DPS amazing overall though. It's fairly mediocre assuming everyone is playing their class perfectly.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    We are middle of the pack DPS with superior AoE. Some fights we shine, some fights we lack. All in all, Shadow Priests are an awesome addition to any raid. I wouldn't take anymore than two of them, thou, unless you plan on AoE'ing everything.

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    Re: How do you feel Shadow is within a raid, do you do good DPS compare to the rest?

    I didn't realize that being right also made me a troll?

    Let me break it down for you.
    Shadow is HIGH survivability in PvE, this is due to Self healing AND damage reduction capabilities, that is the reason they are good in Hard modes.

    Shadow has a fairly OP AoE, not as op as FoK (because it can interrupt) but definitely leader in DPS.

    Shadow has the Ability to Tab-dot semi effectively, not as good as afflic, but still good.

    Hard Modes Fights are either just plain harder or they add another element to the fight, an abundance of tab-dotting capabilities.

    Lets assume everyone in the raid is perfect, their gear is all Best in slot, shadow priests are close, if not last on straightforward fights.

    Here are 3 points relating to what i have just said.
    If a player is good enough, they wont be taking damage in the first place, atleast damage that would be fatal, thus most of the survivability is useless to a skilled player.

    Shadow Priests fill an AoE Niche, exactly the opposite of what blizzard want to do for any given class.

    Shadow priests have some of the worst scaling of all DPS casters, we are carried by our talents.

    If anyone wants to say I'm wrong and puts valid points forward, do share, does not include.
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    Edit: Appreciated if you stop calling me bad, Im quite certain i am as perfect as any Ensida, Method, Etc guild member.

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